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I would have thought the HN angle is where do you draw the line between journalism and data leaks or identity theft? As much as large parts of the public wants

by koolba 6y ago

I would have thought the HN angle is where do you draw the line between journalism and data leaks or identity theft? As much as large parts of the public wants to see his taxes, that doesn’t meant a newspaper can hide behind journalism to act as an intermediary to leak them. If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? EDIT: I find it hilarious that this comment was immediately flagged and hidden from default view.

yread 6y ago
On the other hand he called for a foreign country to hack into his opponents' email and release all of it. So, he obviously doesn't value privacy that much
- smitty1e 6y ago
  Tasteless joke, or substantive call for a privacy invasion? One must to keep in mind that cognitive bias has us parsing those we dislike quite literally, while giving those we fancy a pass. And that's true in all 57 states.
  - mariusor 6y ago
    In my opinion people in high visibility, high power jobs are not allowed to make tasteless jokes towards the people they have power over. It avoids such misunderstandings.
    - smitty1e 6y ago
      The question moves to whether such crudities win or lose elections. A substantial chunk of voters appear disdainful of meticulously courteous but otherwise objectionable leaders. I didn't care for Bush43's speeches, but Trump makes W seem a rhetorical genius.
      - raxxorrax 6y ago
        Especially on the topic of privacy, meticulously courteous didn't work, people just lied to your face. So this is at least another tactic. Doesn't seem like much though.
        smitty1e 6y ago
        One surmises that any legitimate smoking guns would have long since been whistle-blown. Past law and facts, it all appears innuendo.
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  - ModernMech 6y ago
    > Tasteless joke, or substantive call for a privacy invasion? He was pressed by a reporter after that and he doubled and tripled down on what he said. That's not really what someone who was joking would do.
    - digitaltrees 6y ago
      Yes Katie Turr literally asked if he was joking and later said she was shocked but wanted to confirm. It’s amazing how people try to reposition history and how effective it is when they do it because the facts are clear and on video.
  - digitaltrees 6y ago
    It wasn’t a joke because then it happened and he moved to capitalize on it. You should know that at this point so why are you pushing an inaccurate revision to history?
mariusor 6y ago
According to wikipedia: > Identity theft is the deliberate use of someone else's identity, usually as a method to gain a financial advantage or obtain credit and other benefits in the other person's name [..] I don't think anyone can be impersonated based on tax documents, so I'm not sure why you would say that. A valid journalistic act is putting forward information that the public can use to have a better picture about their environment. In my opinion this fits the definition pretty well.
krapp 6y ago
>If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? I'm personally of the opinion that the full medical, criminal and financial records of any frontrunner for President should be made public by law.
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raxxorrax 6y ago
I disagree with you that medical data cannot be protected by stricter privacy laws. Tax returns could indeed be relevant to find conflicts of interest. One could argue that holders of a public offices should be exempt of having their privacy protected, but I think it would lead to candidates that are better at hiding. The honest ones probably already lost interest in pursuing any office at that point. I didn't downvote you and I think the smear campaign about Russian influence was a giant political scandal, no matter what you think about Trump. Somehow it is not because nobody seems to be interested in it.

by koolba 6y ago

yread 6y ago

On the other hand he called for a foreign country to hack into his opponents' email and release all of it. So, he obviously doesn't value privacy that much

smitty1e 6y ago
Tasteless joke, or substantive call for a privacy invasion? One must to keep in mind that cognitive bias has us parsing those we dislike quite literally, while giving those we fancy a pass. And that's true in all 57 states.
- mariusor 6y ago
  In my opinion people in high visibility, high power jobs are not allowed to make tasteless jokes towards the people they have power over. It avoids such misunderstandings.
  - smitty1e 6y ago
    The question moves to whether such crudities win or lose elections. A substantial chunk of voters appear disdainful of meticulously courteous but otherwise objectionable leaders. I didn't care for Bush43's speeches, but Trump makes W seem a rhetorical genius.
    - raxxorrax 6y ago
      Especially on the topic of privacy, meticulously courteous didn't work, people just lied to your face. So this is at least another tactic. Doesn't seem like much though.
      - smitty1e 6y ago
        One surmises that any legitimate smoking guns would have long since been whistle-blown. Past law and facts, it all appears innuendo.
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- ModernMech 6y ago
  > Tasteless joke, or substantive call for a privacy invasion? He was pressed by a reporter after that and he doubled and tripled down on what he said. That's not really what someone who was joking would do.
  - digitaltrees 6y ago
    Yes Katie Turr literally asked if he was joking and later said she was shocked but wanted to confirm. It’s amazing how people try to reposition history and how effective it is when they do it because the facts are clear and on video.
- digitaltrees 6y ago
  It wasn’t a joke because then it happened and he moved to capitalize on it. You should know that at this point so why are you pushing an inaccurate revision to history?

mariusor 6y ago

According to wikipedia: > Identity theft is the deliberate use of someone else's identity, usually as a method to gain a financial advantage or obtain credit and other benefits in the other person's name [..] I don't think anyone can be impersonated based on tax documents, so I'm not sure why you would say that. A valid journalistic act is putting forward information that the public can use to have a better picture about their environment. In my opinion this fits the definition pretty well.

krapp 6y ago

>If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? I'm personally of the opinion that the full medical, criminal and financial records of any frontrunner for President should be made public by law.

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raxxorrax 6y ago

I disagree with you that medical data cannot be protected by stricter privacy laws. Tax returns could indeed be relevant to find conflicts of interest. One could argue that holders of a public offices should be exempt of having their privacy protected, but I think it would lead to candidates that are better at hiding. The honest ones probably already lost interest in pursuing any office at that point. I didn't downvote you and I think the smear campaign about Russian influence was a giant political scandal, no matter what you think about Trump. Somehow it is not because nobody seems to be interested in it.