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I don't have a problem with forced security fixes. I DO have a problem with forced updates which are completely unrelated to security, install thinly veiled ad

I don't have a problem with forced security fixes. I DO have a problem with forced updates which are completely unrelated to security, install thinly veiled ads disguised as apps, break existing functionality, change my browser/PDF reader preferences, occasionally brick the whole machine. Also I have a huge problem with so much of this crap needing a reboot. Reengineer the damn thing so it doesn't in 99% of cases.

themaninthedark 6y ago
How many forced Windows 10 updates have bricked peoples computers? Just looking at the dates after googling has dates from '18, '19 and '20. So at least once a year. On an OS that has been out for 5 years now. Do I control my computer or not? If I do then I should be able to control what happens when.
- gigel82 6y ago
  You control your computer, turn off updates, get malware, then come back and complain how M$ / Windows is crap. I really don't understand why so many people in this thread are actively complaining about not being able to turn off updates. It's like once a month and they give you advance notice and "pick a time"; you have a whole week to choose a good time to restart and apply some updates...
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    Because the user should be in control, no microsoft.
    - gruturo 6y ago
      I'm actually OK with Microsoft being in control of security patching cadence. Too many people are simply unable, unqualified or unwilling to do the job themselves, and when there's millions of them, you get botnets. I don't like the loss of choice, but I readily admit it's a necessary evil. But they should do much better QA and not brick anyone's PC ever, and absolutely NOT ship anything which isn't strictly security-related in this undeferrable-unskippable security patches channel.
  - johnisgood 6y ago
    I do not know when there will be a good time for it, how long it is going to take, what it may break, or what settings it may reset. I update my Linux distro whenever I feel like it. I definitely like it this way. I have no "malware" on my system.
  - imtringued 6y ago
    From my perspective windows updates are malware. I received one of Microsoft's malware updates on Windows 10. The computer forces updates on reboot except the update never completes. I've waited 2 hours for an update and let the computer stay on overnight. After 20 hours it still didn't complete. The solution? Reboot and turn windows updates off by disabling the windows update service. Except then they decided to override that option and suddenly my system started boot looping again. Why can't they just fix their crappy software? They've had two decades. It's always the exact same failure type on Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 10. Sometimes you you can clear the windows update cache by hand but guess what. That only works if you can actually disable the windows update service which they prevent you from doing now.

themaninthedark 6y ago

How many forced Windows 10 updates have bricked peoples computers? Just looking at the dates after googling has dates from '18, '19 and '20. So at least once a year. On an OS that has been out for 5 years now. Do I control my computer or not? If I do then I should be able to control what happens when.

gigel82 6y ago
You control your computer, turn off updates, get malware, then come back and complain how M$ / Windows is crap. I really don't understand why so many people in this thread are actively complaining about not being able to turn off updates. It's like once a month and they give you advance notice and "pick a time"; you have a whole week to choose a good time to restart and apply some updates...
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  Because the user should be in control, no microsoft.
  - gruturo 6y ago
    I'm actually OK with Microsoft being in control of security patching cadence. Too many people are simply unable, unqualified or unwilling to do the job themselves, and when there's millions of them, you get botnets. I don't like the loss of choice, but I readily admit it's a necessary evil. But they should do much better QA and not brick anyone's PC ever, and absolutely NOT ship anything which isn't strictly security-related in this undeferrable-unskippable security patches channel.
- johnisgood 6y ago
  I do not know when there will be a good time for it, how long it is going to take, what it may break, or what settings it may reset. I update my Linux distro whenever I feel like it. I definitely like it this way. I have no "malware" on my system.
- imtringued 6y ago
  From my perspective windows updates are malware. I received one of Microsoft's malware updates on Windows 10. The computer forces updates on reboot except the update never completes. I've waited 2 hours for an update and let the computer stay on overnight. After 20 hours it still didn't complete. The solution? Reboot and turn windows updates off by disabling the windows update service. Except then they decided to override that option and suddenly my system started boot looping again. Why can't they just fix their crappy software? They've had two decades. It's always the exact same failure type on Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 10. Sometimes you you can clear the windows update cache by hand but guess what. That only works if you can actually disable the windows update service which they prevent you from doing now.