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Bit of a shame the license is so restrictive you can't even use it in non-profit organisations without permission. Wondering what you can realistically do with

by nsgi 6y ago

Bit of a shame the license is so restrictive you can't even use it in non-profit organisations without permission. Wondering what you can realistically do with them other than using one for a ringtone on your phone

tgv 6y ago
If you're a "media" producer, you can use them to build your game, soundtrack, presentation, etc. Once you're satisfied, and the product will be published, you can decide to get a license. You've seen the price: buying such licenses beforehand is only for dedicated professionals.
- Daviey 6y ago
  But can you use them as a sound effect in a youtube video, where you may earn some revenue through adverts some time in the future (or maybe not)?
  - dylz 6y ago
    > where you may earn some revenue through adverts This is commercial use and paid.
    - Daviey 6y ago
      It really isn't as clear as that. Most youtube videos are not monetised, but the status could change years later. Further, in an hour long video, using a 5 second audio clip with an advertising revenue of £0.10 is considered commercial and a payment?
      - mongol 6y ago
        Yes
      - Uehreka 6y ago
        Not a lawyer, but I do work with licensed content: In this case you would probable need to pay the licensing fee before turning on ads for any video using assets from this library. But what if you do it by accident, forgetting that you’d used a licensed asset in this long-published video? Tough cookies. If you’re going to publish a mix of commercial and non-commercial content, you’d best be using some sort of tagging system to keep track of which videos use assets from which libraries. Because if you mess up, it’s on you. We frequently run into this issue when a vendor gets bought by another company who doesn’t want to renew their contract with us: At that point we have to use our tagging system to find any content using assets from that library and either pull it or find replacements from somewhere else.
      - dylz 6y ago
        > with an advertising revenue of £0.10 is considered commercial and a payment? Yes. Ignorance not excuse. There are quite a few cases where people go on GIS and find some random image, and then stock image crawling bots encounter it and extract payment with penalties.
      - ss64 6y ago
        Even if they are not monetised by the uploader, the video will still be monetised by Google, so this is still commercial use, even if they only earn 0.0001c
      - kube-system 6y ago
        YouTube is a commercial website, whether or not they give you a cut of their profits for your content is irrelevant. To upload videos to YouTube, you must assign them a license for their commercial use. You have no right to make that assignment of license if you do not hold the right yourself.
  - JD557 6y ago
    Looking at the license[1], I think not: > [...] You can't [...] put ads next to or over it (the content) 1: https://github.com/bbcarchdev/Remarc/blob/master/doc/2016.09.27_RemArc_Content%20licence_Terms%20of%20Use_final.pdf https://github.com/bbcarchdev/Remarc/blob/master/doc/2016.09...
- JdeBP 6y ago
  For comparison, see the prices and licensing of the General Series 6000 library from Sound Ideas: * https://sound-ideas.com/Collection/2/2/0/The-General-Series-6000-Libraries https://sound-ideas.com/Collection/2/2/0/The-General-Series-... The Sound Ideas licence expressly prohibits the use of any of its sound effects "as mobile telecom audio content such as ring tones, ringback tones, soundscapes, multimedia messaging services (MMS), voice messaging, audio enhancements, greeting mail services, or other content applications now known or which shall become known". * https://sound-ideas.com/Page/Sound-Ideas-End-User-License https://sound-ideas.com/Page/Sound-Ideas-End-User-License That's not the only restriction in the Sound Ideas licence. You may only use the effects at one address. You may not sell or throw away your computers or disc drives if you don't wipe them. You may not put sound effects into firmware.
- nottorp 6y ago
  Can you actually buy a license from the BBC for these?
  - JdeBP 6y ago
    Go to the actual BBC page, the RES Acropolis one that has been pointed to in this very discussion several times, and your question is answered in the third sentence.
    - nottorp 6y ago
      "Yes" would have been shorter.
      - JdeBP 6y ago
        Shortness wasn't the goal. Making you read what is in front of you, for yourself, was. And "yes" is not even the answer.
ClikeX 6y ago
As a hobby musician, I can sample them and work them into my music. Only need to license it if I decide to release it on Spotify.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Depends a lot on where you are. USA's Fair Use would probably let you sample these sounds for use in developing your music even without the license. In the UK there aren't anything like personal use exceptions so sampling if its allowed by the license would be fine, but if you play back the track and anyone hears it then strictly that's a performance and likely to be infringing (yes, UK law is that restrictive; for example UK schools have to have music performance licenses to watch TV in class in case a program includes copyright music, it's pretty ludicrous).
jansan 6y ago
You mean non-profits like Mozilla, where the CEO makes $2.5 million a year? Yeah, they should be able to pay for this just as any other company.

by nsgi 6y ago

tgv 6y ago

If you're a "media" producer, you can use them to build your game, soundtrack, presentation, etc. Once you're satisfied, and the product will be published, you can decide to get a license. You've seen the price: buying such licenses beforehand is only for dedicated professionals.

Daviey 6y ago
But can you use them as a sound effect in a youtube video, where you may earn some revenue through adverts some time in the future (or maybe not)?
- dylz 6y ago
  > where you may earn some revenue through adverts This is commercial use and paid.
  - Daviey 6y ago
    It really isn't as clear as that. Most youtube videos are not monetised, but the status could change years later. Further, in an hour long video, using a 5 second audio clip with an advertising revenue of £0.10 is considered commercial and a payment?
    - mongol 6y ago
      Yes
    - Uehreka 6y ago
      Not a lawyer, but I do work with licensed content: In this case you would probable need to pay the licensing fee before turning on ads for any video using assets from this library. But what if you do it by accident, forgetting that you’d used a licensed asset in this long-published video? Tough cookies. If you’re going to publish a mix of commercial and non-commercial content, you’d best be using some sort of tagging system to keep track of which videos use assets from which libraries. Because if you mess up, it’s on you. We frequently run into this issue when a vendor gets bought by another company who doesn’t want to renew their contract with us: At that point we have to use our tagging system to find any content using assets from that library and either pull it or find replacements from somewhere else.
    - dylz 6y ago
      > with an advertising revenue of £0.10 is considered commercial and a payment? Yes. Ignorance not excuse. There are quite a few cases where people go on GIS and find some random image, and then stock image crawling bots encounter it and extract payment with penalties.
    - ss64 6y ago
      Even if they are not monetised by the uploader, the video will still be monetised by Google, so this is still commercial use, even if they only earn 0.0001c
    - kube-system 6y ago
      YouTube is a commercial website, whether or not they give you a cut of their profits for your content is irrelevant. To upload videos to YouTube, you must assign them a license for their commercial use. You have no right to make that assignment of license if you do not hold the right yourself.
- JD557 6y ago
  Looking at the license[1], I think not: > [...] You can't [...] put ads next to or over it (the content) 1: https://github.com/bbcarchdev/Remarc/blob/master/doc/2016.09.27_RemArc_Content%20licence_Terms%20of%20Use_final.pdf https://github.com/bbcarchdev/Remarc/blob/master/doc/2016.09...
JdeBP 6y ago
For comparison, see the prices and licensing of the General Series 6000 library from Sound Ideas: * https://sound-ideas.com/Collection/2/2/0/The-General-Series-6000-Libraries https://sound-ideas.com/Collection/2/2/0/The-General-Series-... The Sound Ideas licence expressly prohibits the use of any of its sound effects "as mobile telecom audio content such as ring tones, ringback tones, soundscapes, multimedia messaging services (MMS), voice messaging, audio enhancements, greeting mail services, or other content applications now known or which shall become known". * https://sound-ideas.com/Page/Sound-Ideas-End-User-License https://sound-ideas.com/Page/Sound-Ideas-End-User-License That's not the only restriction in the Sound Ideas licence. You may only use the effects at one address. You may not sell or throw away your computers or disc drives if you don't wipe them. You may not put sound effects into firmware.
nottorp 6y ago
Can you actually buy a license from the BBC for these?
- JdeBP 6y ago
  Go to the actual BBC page, the RES Acropolis one that has been pointed to in this very discussion several times, and your question is answered in the third sentence.
  - nottorp 6y ago
    "Yes" would have been shorter.
    - JdeBP 6y ago
      Shortness wasn't the goal. Making you read what is in front of you, for yourself, was. And "yes" is not even the answer.

ClikeX 6y ago

As a hobby musician, I can sample them and work them into my music. Only need to license it if I decide to release it on Spotify.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Depends a lot on where you are. USA's Fair Use would probably let you sample these sounds for use in developing your music even without the license. In the UK there aren't anything like personal use exceptions so sampling if its allowed by the license would be fine, but if you play back the track and anyone hears it then strictly that's a performance and likely to be infringing (yes, UK law is that restrictive; for example UK schools have to have music performance licenses to watch TV in class in case a program includes copyright music, it's pretty ludicrous).

jansan 6y ago

You mean non-profits like Mozilla, where the CEO makes $2.5 million a year? Yeah, they should be able to pay for this just as any other company.