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Perhaps they should vote.

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__blockcipher__ 6y ago
Ah but that’s the irony. In the US the young overwhelmingly vote for the side that supports these authoritarian shutdowns. I remember when the authoritarians were on the right and the freedom lovers on the left. Oh, how times have changed. (Compare South Dakota, right-leaning and NEVER locked down, to my home state of California, which is so democrat-leaning that we’re a de facto single party state)
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- ryandrake 6y ago
  Enforcing sensible public health policy in the middle of a raging, deadly, global pandemic is hardly authoritarian. We are being asked to put a little piece of cloth over our faces and to stay at home when we don’t have to go out. Yet people are acting like we are being loaded onto the trains. Have we so completely lost our sense of perspective?
  - __blockcipher__ 6y ago
    We're talking here about an order to prohibit all gatherings among young people. That's a huge restriction of 1a right to peaceable assembly. I happen to think mask mandates are ridiculous too but that's besides the point.
    - ryandrake 6y ago
      It is not without precedent. Courts have upheld government's power to enforce curfews, which limit gatherings of adults, to protect public safety and property. I would like to see a court weigh in the constitutionality of a curfew for the narrow purpose of protecting the public from a pandemic. You may end up being right. I don't think the SCOTUS has weighed in on curfews yet.
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SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I'd argue that younger people are less likely to vote because they're less likely to find politicians who they want to vote for, so just telling them to vote largely misses the point.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > I'd argue that younger people are less likely to vote because they're less likely to find politicians who they want to vote for, so just telling them to vote largely misses the point. So vote and get active in a political party, then?
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    The level of involvement in politics required to influence who's on the ballot is quite a big commitment, and I think it's entirely reasonable for people to expect representation even if they don't have time for that.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
The young can never outvite the old because the old are 65-90, but the young are 18-25 at best. The latter cohort is by definition several times smaller. Why are 16 year old 'too immature' to vote by 90 year olds eligible? You can vote even if you are mentally ill. Do schoolchildren have no interests at all that deserve at least some representation? Imagine we had a few representatives in parloament talking about their issues, that would probably improve discourse.

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Ah but that’s the irony. In the US the young overwhelmingly vote for the side that supports these authoritarian shutdowns. I remember when the authoritarians were on the right and the freedom lovers on the left. Oh, how times have changed. (Compare South Dakota, right-leaning and NEVER locked down, to my home state of California, which is so democrat-leaning that we’re a de facto single party state)

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ryandrake 6y ago
Enforcing sensible public health policy in the middle of a raging, deadly, global pandemic is hardly authoritarian. We are being asked to put a little piece of cloth over our faces and to stay at home when we don’t have to go out. Yet people are acting like we are being loaded onto the trains. Have we so completely lost our sense of perspective?
- __blockcipher__ 6y ago
  We're talking here about an order to prohibit all gatherings among young people. That's a huge restriction of 1a right to peaceable assembly. I happen to think mask mandates are ridiculous too but that's besides the point.
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    It is not without precedent. Courts have upheld government's power to enforce curfews, which limit gatherings of adults, to protect public safety and property. I would like to see a court weigh in the constitutionality of a curfew for the narrow purpose of protecting the public from a pandemic. You may end up being right. I don't think the SCOTUS has weighed in on curfews yet.

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SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I'd argue that younger people are less likely to vote because they're less likely to find politicians who they want to vote for, so just telling them to vote largely misses the point.

ardy42 6y ago
> I'd argue that younger people are less likely to vote because they're less likely to find politicians who they want to vote for, so just telling them to vote largely misses the point. So vote and get active in a political party, then?
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  The level of involvement in politics required to influence who's on the ballot is quite a big commitment, and I think it's entirely reasonable for people to expect representation even if they don't have time for that.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

The young can never outvite the old because the old are 65-90, but the young are 18-25 at best. The latter cohort is by definition several times smaller. Why are 16 year old 'too immature' to vote by 90 year olds eligible? You can vote even if you are mentally ill. Do schoolchildren have no interests at all that deserve at least some representation? Imagine we had a few representatives in parloament talking about their issues, that would probably improve discourse.