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I don't see how that's relevant. Epic isn't suing Apple so that they can have exclusive rights to open a second app store, they're suing to allow third-party ap

by bogwog 6y ago

I don't see how that's relevant. Epic isn't suing Apple so that they can have exclusive rights to open a second app store, they're suing to allow third-party app stores in general. If Epic wins, they aren't going to be part of a small group of store owners; anyone would be able to open their own competing store.

judge2020 6y ago
So if Apple had entertained the original pre-lawsuit request, would epic have fought until Apple allowed app stores other than Epic and Apple existing?
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  What does it matter? They're fighting for something that benefits everybody (except Apple) now.
  - zepto 6y ago
    There is no evidence that what they are fighting for would benefit anyone other than a small group of already rich companies.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      There is plenty of evidence from Android that it would benefit both users and developers.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Android is not a model for this. Stores on Android simply don’t have equal footing with the play store. Epic is suing Google too over this.
        lern_too_spel 6y ago
        Epic is suing Google for pressuring OEMs against preinstalling its app store on devices, not for preventing users from installing its app store themselves. It's true that app stores not signed with the system key can't automatically update apps, and users would benefit even more if they could, but users already benefit from being able to install apps outside of the official app store at all.
        zepto 6y ago
        You just confirmed my point. Android app stores other than google play aren’t remotely on a level playing field with the Play store.
        lern_too_spel 6y ago
        I never disputed your point (though it is technicall bwrong because some phones have other app stores installed on the system partition) because as I already pointed out, your point is irrelevant. The fact that users can install apps from other sources at all has massive benefit, as Android has already shown. There would be even more benefit if other apps could do automatic updates, but there is already benefit with what is available.
zepto 6y ago
Almost no stores will be able to compete with Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc, who already have giant reach and network effects, Consumers will have to deal with them all, as will developers. There will be a small group of store owners.
- bogwog 6y ago
  > Almost no stores will be able to compete with Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc, who already have giant reach and network effects, First of all, that is not true at all. And second, even if it were true, it'd be a far better situation for developers than the current status quo.
  - zepto 6y ago
    Having to deal with multiple stores would be strictly worse for developers than the current situation.
    - matwood 6y ago
      And worse for consumers. No way I'm dealing with entering my CC again and again. The current situation is not perfect, but it does have advantages for both consumers and developers.
      - donmcronald 6y ago
        Really? Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Apple already have my CC number. If I could buy all my apps through (ex:) the Microsoft store that exists on PC, Android, and iOS I could delete my CC info from Google and Apple. That's a win in my book. Maybe the competition would force all of them to innovate a bit. Wouldn't it be nice if you could give your CC number, but set a hard limit on in-app purchases? Ex: Here's my CC, but you're not allowed to charge more than $50 / month to it. I bet there are a lot of people that have gotten multi thousand dollar IAP bills that wouldn't mind a better system for some of that stuff.
  - giantrobot 6y ago

by bogwog 6y ago

judge2020 6y ago

So if Apple had entertained the original pre-lawsuit request, would epic have fought until Apple allowed app stores other than Epic and Apple existing?

lern_too_spel 6y ago
What does it matter? They're fighting for something that benefits everybody (except Apple) now.
- zepto 6y ago
  There is no evidence that what they are fighting for would benefit anyone other than a small group of already rich companies.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    There is plenty of evidence from Android that it would benefit both users and developers.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Android is not a model for this. Stores on Android simply don’t have equal footing with the play store. Epic is suing Google too over this.
      - lern_too_spel 6y ago
        Epic is suing Google for pressuring OEMs against preinstalling its app store on devices, not for preventing users from installing its app store themselves. It's true that app stores not signed with the system key can't automatically update apps, and users would benefit even more if they could, but users already benefit from being able to install apps outside of the official app store at all.
        zepto 6y ago
        You just confirmed my point. Android app stores other than google play aren’t remotely on a level playing field with the Play store.
        lern_too_spel 6y ago
        I never disputed your point (though it is technicall bwrong because some phones have other app stores installed on the system partition) because as I already pointed out, your point is irrelevant. The fact that users can install apps from other sources at all has massive benefit, as Android has already shown. There would be even more benefit if other apps could do automatic updates, but there is already benefit with what is available.

zepto 6y ago

Almost no stores will be able to compete with Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc, who already have giant reach and network effects, Consumers will have to deal with them all, as will developers. There will be a small group of store owners.

bogwog 6y ago
> Almost no stores will be able to compete with Facebook, Google, Amazon, etc, who already have giant reach and network effects, First of all, that is not true at all. And second, even if it were true, it'd be a far better situation for developers than the current status quo.
- zepto 6y ago
  Having to deal with multiple stores would be strictly worse for developers than the current situation.
  - matwood 6y ago
    And worse for consumers. No way I'm dealing with entering my CC again and again. The current situation is not perfect, but it does have advantages for both consumers and developers.
    - donmcronald 6y ago
      Really? Microsoft, Amazon, Google, and Apple already have my CC number. If I could buy all my apps through (ex:) the Microsoft store that exists on PC, Android, and iOS I could delete my CC info from Google and Apple. That's a win in my book. Maybe the competition would force all of them to innovate a bit. Wouldn't it be nice if you could give your CC number, but set a hard limit on in-app purchases? Ex: Here's my CC, but you're not allowed to charge more than $50 / month to it. I bet there are a lot of people that have gotten multi thousand dollar IAP bills that wouldn't mind a better system for some of that stuff.
- giantrobot 6y ago