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What's the process to come up with the number for the right amount of animal eating?

lm28469 6y ago
idk but when I see the quality of the meat served at the cafeteria of my company I can clearly tell there is an issue, it's vile, I would probably not even give that to my dog. Somehow people prefer eating the most disgusting piece of chicken/beef I've ever seen every single day of their week rather than go for the totally fine salad bar, which is cheaper and has a variety of cheese, nuts, salad, &c. or the vegetarian dish of the day
prox 6y ago
You can perfectly live on eating meat once or twice a week. Especially if your job isn’t that physically demanding. You reduce meat consumption to 1/7 if you do so. If most of us did that a lot of problems would be moot.
- kolinko 6y ago
  You assume that the only reason people eat meat is either sociological or physical workout. You have multiple subsets of population that may find it more difficult to quit meat than the others. For women (especially pregnant), meat is a source of Iron. For people with adhd, there is a correlation with meat eating (and we can assume causation as well, since adhd is genetic). Meat is a source of vitamins that have been proven to help with adhd symptoms, and of course protein which helps with brain functioning in those cases. Personally, I don’t do much sport, but I get occasional cravings so high that I could kill anyone who would want to prevent me from eating meat. Trying to figure out what is responsible, and which supplements can help, but still haven’t figured out. With all the sympathy for animal suffering (my gf is a vegan fighter), just because you and some other people have it easy to quit meat doesn’t mean that it’s easy for all the rest.
  - Spacemolte 6y ago
    Eating less != quitting
  - callmemclovin 6y ago
    > just because you and some other people have it easy to quit meat doesn’t mean that it’s easy for all the rest. Yeah but... so what? What's the point in only pursuing easy goals? Do you think we should have cancelled the Apollo program just because it wasn't easy? Abandoning meat will be another milestone for mankind - even if it's just for our own long-term survival on this planet.
  - kortex 6y ago
    > For people with adhd, there is a correlation with meat eating > I get occasional cravings so high that I could kill anyone who would want to prevent me from eating meat. lightbulb moment I would love to cut down on meat consumption for ethics/sustainability/health, but it's almost like my body knows it runs better on it. I get extra cranky, foggy, and tired if I don't have a pretty dense protein meal early in the day, ideally red meat. Can't do legumes due to allergies. Even like whey protein isn't the same as meat. My iron levels are fine. Maybe it's one of the amino-adjacent compounds, like creatine?
    - dunefox 6y ago
      > I get extra cranky, foggy, and tired if I don't have a pretty dense protein meal early in the day Imagination is a powerful thing. You're just used to it.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    I became a vegetarian over a decade ago and while it wasn't exactly easy, it certainly wasn't all that difficult compared to most of the other hard things I've done in my life. For instance, losing half my body weight (which occurred many years later because ice cream is vegetarian yo) was at least 2 orders of magnitude harder and maintaining that loss is a never ending battle. By comparison, getting out of bed to go to work is harder than maintaining my vegetarianism. Cutting back meat consumption to a mere 1 or 2 meals a week cannot be that difficult. I also think all the talk of missing protein, iron, and vitamins is significantly overblown. Every blood panel I've ever had has been normal with iron on the high end and I can maintain an active lifestyle quite easily.
  - prox 6y ago
    I don’t think I was assuming, but it’s one if the most frequent misperceptions. It’s highly subjective indeed when it comes to your relationship with meat. But vegatarian meat replacements are getting ridiculously good, especially the last couple of years, if its just about the taste and texture. And again, it’s not about dropping meat right now, it’s about seeing if you can cut down. Even eating it one day less makes an impact. Just try it is what I am saying. See if there is something in your culinary palette that fills the appetite (and has no biological negative net effects)
- chii 6y ago
  > You can perfectly live on eating meat once or twice a week but it wouldn't produce as much pleasure as eating meat every day. I dont think depending on people to be altruistic (and give up what pleasure they can get) is a good way forward.
  - czottmann 6y ago
    That's a highly subjective statement. I eat well, and enjoy my meals, and I only eat animals about once per week, if any. I'm not missing anything. (I'm not a full-on vegetarian, and certainly not vegan.) _"Meat is delicious"_ is a mindset. _"It's not a full meal unless there's meat"_ is an arguably marketing-induced mindset.
    - easytiger 6y ago
      > _"Meat is delicious"_ is a mindset. _"It's not a full meal unless there's meat"_ is an arguably marketing-induced mindset If by marketing you mean centuries of behaviour, then ok. Certainly in my region of the world the basic diet has always been meat focused.
    - chii 6y ago
      > That's a highly subjective statement ... I'm not missing anything. exactly. You can do it. But based on empirical observation of what is happening in the world, there are more people who choose to eat meat rather than the existing substitutes.
      - czottmann 6y ago
        Here in Germany meat is often cheaper than vegetables, which is insane. Subsidies are to blame. Get rid of those and see what happens.

idk but when I see the quality of the meat served at the cafeteria of my company I can clearly tell there is an issue, it's vile, I would probably not even give that to my dog. Somehow people prefer eating the most disgusting piece of chicken/beef I've ever seen every single day of their week rather than go for the totally fine salad bar, which is cheaper and has a variety of cheese, nuts, salad, &c. or the vegetarian dish of the day

prox 6y ago

You can perfectly live on eating meat once or twice a week. Especially if your job isn’t that physically demanding. You reduce meat consumption to 1/7 if you do so. If most of us did that a lot of problems would be moot.

kolinko 6y ago
You assume that the only reason people eat meat is either sociological or physical workout. You have multiple subsets of population that may find it more difficult to quit meat than the others. For women (especially pregnant), meat is a source of Iron. For people with adhd, there is a correlation with meat eating (and we can assume causation as well, since adhd is genetic). Meat is a source of vitamins that have been proven to help with adhd symptoms, and of course protein which helps with brain functioning in those cases. Personally, I don’t do much sport, but I get occasional cravings so high that I could kill anyone who would want to prevent me from eating meat. Trying to figure out what is responsible, and which supplements can help, but still haven’t figured out. With all the sympathy for animal suffering (my gf is a vegan fighter), just because you and some other people have it easy to quit meat doesn’t mean that it’s easy for all the rest.
- Spacemolte 6y ago
  Eating less != quitting
- callmemclovin 6y ago
  > just because you and some other people have it easy to quit meat doesn’t mean that it’s easy for all the rest. Yeah but... so what? What's the point in only pursuing easy goals? Do you think we should have cancelled the Apollo program just because it wasn't easy? Abandoning meat will be another milestone for mankind - even if it's just for our own long-term survival on this planet.
- kortex 6y ago
  > For people with adhd, there is a correlation with meat eating > I get occasional cravings so high that I could kill anyone who would want to prevent me from eating meat. lightbulb moment I would love to cut down on meat consumption for ethics/sustainability/health, but it's almost like my body knows it runs better on it. I get extra cranky, foggy, and tired if I don't have a pretty dense protein meal early in the day, ideally red meat. Can't do legumes due to allergies. Even like whey protein isn't the same as meat. My iron levels are fine. Maybe it's one of the amino-adjacent compounds, like creatine?
  - dunefox 6y ago
    > I get extra cranky, foggy, and tired if I don't have a pretty dense protein meal early in the day Imagination is a powerful thing. You're just used to it.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  I became a vegetarian over a decade ago and while it wasn't exactly easy, it certainly wasn't all that difficult compared to most of the other hard things I've done in my life. For instance, losing half my body weight (which occurred many years later because ice cream is vegetarian yo) was at least 2 orders of magnitude harder and maintaining that loss is a never ending battle. By comparison, getting out of bed to go to work is harder than maintaining my vegetarianism. Cutting back meat consumption to a mere 1 or 2 meals a week cannot be that difficult. I also think all the talk of missing protein, iron, and vitamins is significantly overblown. Every blood panel I've ever had has been normal with iron on the high end and I can maintain an active lifestyle quite easily.
- prox 6y ago
  I don’t think I was assuming, but it’s one if the most frequent misperceptions. It’s highly subjective indeed when it comes to your relationship with meat. But vegatarian meat replacements are getting ridiculously good, especially the last couple of years, if its just about the taste and texture. And again, it’s not about dropping meat right now, it’s about seeing if you can cut down. Even eating it one day less makes an impact. Just try it is what I am saying. See if there is something in your culinary palette that fills the appetite (and has no biological negative net effects)
chii 6y ago
> You can perfectly live on eating meat once or twice a week but it wouldn't produce as much pleasure as eating meat every day. I dont think depending on people to be altruistic (and give up what pleasure they can get) is a good way forward.
- czottmann 6y ago
  That's a highly subjective statement. I eat well, and enjoy my meals, and I only eat animals about once per week, if any. I'm not missing anything. (I'm not a full-on vegetarian, and certainly not vegan.) _"Meat is delicious"_ is a mindset. _"It's not a full meal unless there's meat"_ is an arguably marketing-induced mindset.
  - easytiger 6y ago
    > _"Meat is delicious"_ is a mindset. _"It's not a full meal unless there's meat"_ is an arguably marketing-induced mindset If by marketing you mean centuries of behaviour, then ok. Certainly in my region of the world the basic diet has always been meat focused.
  - chii 6y ago
    > That's a highly subjective statement ... I'm not missing anything. exactly. You can do it. But based on empirical observation of what is happening in the world, there are more people who choose to eat meat rather than the existing substitutes.
    - czottmann 6y ago
      Here in Germany meat is often cheaper than vegetables, which is insane. Subsidies are to blame. Get rid of those and see what happens.