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As there are rights and privileges, there are also responsibilities. One is to maintain yourself within the bounds of the law. Seems like if you're not willing

As there are rights and privileges, there are also responsibilities. One is to maintain yourself within the bounds of the law. Seems like if you're not willing to take responsibility for your actions then you don't get to tell others what to do through voting.

mattzito 6y ago
Isn't the theoretical point of prison to rehabilitate? We want to take people who have wronged others and get them to take responsibility for their actions and make them productive members of society. Removing voting rights permanently certainly can't increase the engagement of criminals, enough that the voters of florida voted to enfranchise felons.
- Infinitesimus 6y ago
  In practice, the general sentiment of prison at least in the US seems to be more for punishment ( see tough on crime laws, etc.) and not rehabilitation.
- tssva 6y ago
  Until recently voting rights were actually removed permanently in FL for felons. Now voting rights can be restored if people who have wronged others take responsibility for their actions. Part of taking responsibility for your actions is completing the court determined punishment for your crime. This can include fines and making financial restitution to those who have harmed through your actions.
  - Daishiman 6y ago
    I'm sorry but by the standards of most civilized western nations it's still an abomination that your voting rights are tied to financial obligations.
f-securus 6y ago
What if some laws are selectively enforced and don’t have a logical reason for even existing? Is it morally okay to ignore those laws until logic and sense prevails? I think it is ironic how some Americans cry ‘freedom’ over wearing masks or taxes but don’t skip a beat in dictating how somebody else treats their own body. What I’m saying is not all laws are just and being a Felon doesn’t diminish the person’s reasoning capabilities. Felons can easily act as rational as some of these politicians...
- yostrovs 6y ago
  In theory, yes. But the people he's paying for have real crimes on their records, like assault and robbery. The only thing he takes into account is race. If black or latino, he pays. If you're not, you still don't get to vote.
  - athriren 6y ago
    this is patently false, frcc assistance is race blind and you only have to be covered by the ballot initiative to qualify. i would be very interested to learn where you have (falsely) heard there is some race based test for assistance that has led you to repeat this (false) claim. i would add the ballot initiative did not require fines and fees to be paid and this was tacked on by the legislature for the express purpose of continuing to prevent as many of these people as possible from voting.
loceng 6y ago
What if the law are unjust but no one else in society cares you're locked up?

mattzito 6y ago

Isn't the theoretical point of prison to rehabilitate? We want to take people who have wronged others and get them to take responsibility for their actions and make them productive members of society. Removing voting rights permanently certainly can't increase the engagement of criminals, enough that the voters of florida voted to enfranchise felons.

Infinitesimus 6y ago
In practice, the general sentiment of prison at least in the US seems to be more for punishment ( see tough on crime laws, etc.) and not rehabilitation.
tssva 6y ago
Until recently voting rights were actually removed permanently in FL for felons. Now voting rights can be restored if people who have wronged others take responsibility for their actions. Part of taking responsibility for your actions is completing the court determined punishment for your crime. This can include fines and making financial restitution to those who have harmed through your actions.
- Daishiman 6y ago
  I'm sorry but by the standards of most civilized western nations it's still an abomination that your voting rights are tied to financial obligations.

f-securus 6y ago

What if some laws are selectively enforced and don’t have a logical reason for even existing? Is it morally okay to ignore those laws until logic and sense prevails? I think it is ironic how some Americans cry ‘freedom’ over wearing masks or taxes but don’t skip a beat in dictating how somebody else treats their own body. What I’m saying is not all laws are just and being a Felon doesn’t diminish the person’s reasoning capabilities. Felons can easily act as rational as some of these politicians...

yostrovs 6y ago
In theory, yes. But the people he's paying for have real crimes on their records, like assault and robbery. The only thing he takes into account is race. If black or latino, he pays. If you're not, you still don't get to vote.
- athriren 6y ago
  this is patently false, frcc assistance is race blind and you only have to be covered by the ballot initiative to qualify. i would be very interested to learn where you have (falsely) heard there is some race based test for assistance that has led you to repeat this (false) claim. i would add the ballot initiative did not require fines and fees to be paid and this was tacked on by the legislature for the express purpose of continuing to prevent as many of these people as possible from voting.

loceng 6y ago

What if the law are unjust but no one else in society cares you're locked up?