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Are you saying Apple should ban open source projects based on the Swift code base?

sanxiyn 6y ago
I think pjmlp is saying that Apple should be the one to improve the debugger and to improve the Windows support in the Swift Package Manager, rather than soliciting contributions.
- zapzupnz 6y ago
  And yet they didn't solicit anything. Posts on the Swift forums show that Saleem, known as compnerd, took on the task of porting to Windows himself, completely unprovoked — when he began to have something to show, the Swift developer community began to rally around him. That's how open source is supposed to work, isn't it? Somebody wants a thing, they develop it, release it, and everybody improves on it?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Meanwhile on Java and .NET world, it is Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, Azul, Linaro,.... putting the bulk of work.
    - syspec 6y ago
      And thus dictated by their whims only, instead of shepherding and encouraging outside perspectives
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        What I see here is Apple stating "please do the needful".
- valuearb 6y ago
  What I was trying to say is why should Apple port Swift to Windows? They have to prioritize resources and Windows should be way down near the bottom of the list. It’s easy to say Apple has nearly infinite amounts of resources, but that never true in the software business. Someone has to manage the project, hire/manage teams, make decisions on goals, objectives, and they have to be managed by someone in engineering leadership, etc. The simple answer is that focus is better spent on more important distractions.
  - sanxiyn 6y ago
    > They have to prioritize resources Hence pjmlp wrote: "Poor Apple, budget cuts have been hit really hard". I think that's entirely fair. Apple's resource is not infinite, but it's certainly more than enough to port Swift to Windows. Hence pjmlp says it shows "how important this is to Apple", especially in comparison to Java (Oracle) or .NET (Microsoft). I tend to agree.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Why should Apple port Swift to Windows if it’s not going to use it? To me that sounds like the worst use of resources possible.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        I thought they have enough money for getting said resources. As for why, Microsoft apparently has enough money to port Java to Apple Silicon. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/22/microsoft-contributes-to-java-port-for-apple-silicon-macs https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/22/microsoft-contrib...
        valuearb 6y ago
        I assume MSFT has a benefit for doing so. What’s Apples benefit for porting Swift to Windows?

I think pjmlp is saying that Apple should be the one to improve the debugger and to improve the Windows support in the Swift Package Manager, rather than soliciting contributions.

zapzupnz 6y ago
And yet they didn't solicit anything. Posts on the Swift forums show that Saleem, known as compnerd, took on the task of porting to Windows himself, completely unprovoked — when he began to have something to show, the Swift developer community began to rally around him. That's how open source is supposed to work, isn't it? Somebody wants a thing, they develop it, release it, and everybody improves on it?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Meanwhile on Java and .NET world, it is Microsoft, Oracle, IBM, Azul, Linaro,.... putting the bulk of work.
  - syspec 6y ago
    And thus dictated by their whims only, instead of shepherding and encouraging outside perspectives
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      What I see here is Apple stating "please do the needful".
valuearb 6y ago
What I was trying to say is why should Apple port Swift to Windows? They have to prioritize resources and Windows should be way down near the bottom of the list. It’s easy to say Apple has nearly infinite amounts of resources, but that never true in the software business. Someone has to manage the project, hire/manage teams, make decisions on goals, objectives, and they have to be managed by someone in engineering leadership, etc. The simple answer is that focus is better spent on more important distractions.
- sanxiyn 6y ago
  > They have to prioritize resources Hence pjmlp wrote: "Poor Apple, budget cuts have been hit really hard". I think that's entirely fair. Apple's resource is not infinite, but it's certainly more than enough to port Swift to Windows. Hence pjmlp says it shows "how important this is to Apple", especially in comparison to Java (Oracle) or .NET (Microsoft). I tend to agree.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Why should Apple port Swift to Windows if it’s not going to use it? To me that sounds like the worst use of resources possible.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      I thought they have enough money for getting said resources. As for why, Microsoft apparently has enough money to port Java to Apple Silicon. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/22/microsoft-contributes-to-java-port-for-apple-silicon-macs https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/09/22/microsoft-contrib...
      - valuearb 6y ago
        I assume MSFT has a benefit for doing so. What’s Apples benefit for porting Swift to Windows?