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this is actually a community project, the guy behind all this (Saleem) isnt even at Apple, hes at Google.

the_duke 6y ago
Is it just a hobby project, or actually sponsored by Google? They are trying to push Swift for Tensorflow [1], so proper upstream cross-platform capability would probably be important to them. [1] https://www.tensorflow.org/swift https://www.tensorflow.org/swift
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- patrec 6y ago
  Not really. Google hired LLVM and Swift dude for ML stuff. LLVM and Swift dude decided that although Google already had some LLVM, it still needed more Swift, and for ML specifically. This must have struck probably the majority of people in ML who are not him as slightly bizarre (notable exception: Jeremy Howard). Now he's left. I would be truly amazed if Swift for ML goes anywhere.
- nl 6y ago
  It's pretty clear that since Chris Lattner left Google the Swift Tensorflow version isn't really going anywhere.
  - dklend122 6y ago
    They are still paying a bunch of expensive devs to work on it, so maybe not.
    - nl 6y ago
      It looks more like between 3 and 5 devs, who probably came on at the same time as Lattner. It's roughly the same as the Java interface for TF has, and much smaller than the microcontroller TFLite team. That's lost in the TensorFlow team budget.
      - dklend122 6y ago
        More like 9 to 10 devs
pjmlp 6y ago
Yeah, Google is also another one struggling with hard times. Now contrast this with Java or .NET where the large majority of the development comes from the corporations themselves.
- bartvk 6y ago
  I'm having trouble reading sarcasm. Are you joking? Or is there a complaint in there somewhere?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Nah, just re-asserting how "important" this is to Apple and Google, better let others do the work for free, while aspiring to be future employees, or not.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Are you saying Apple should ban open source projects based on the Swift code base?
      - sanxiyn 6y ago
        I think pjmlp is saying that Apple should be the one to improve the debugger and to improve the Windows support in the Swift Package Manager, rather than soliciting contributions.
        zapzupnz 6y ago
        And yet they didn't solicit anything. Posts on the Swift forums show that Saleem, known as compnerd, took on the task of porting to Windows himself, completely unprovoked — when he began to have something to show, the Swift developer community began to rally around him. That's how open source is supposed to work, isn't it? Somebody wants a thing, they develop it, release it, and everybody improves on it?

Is it just a hobby project, or actually sponsored by Google? They are trying to push Swift for Tensorflow [1], so proper upstream cross-platform capability would probably be important to them. [1] https://www.tensorflow.org/swift https://www.tensorflow.org/swift

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patrec 6y ago
Not really. Google hired LLVM and Swift dude for ML stuff. LLVM and Swift dude decided that although Google already had some LLVM, it still needed more Swift, and for ML specifically. This must have struck probably the majority of people in ML who are not him as slightly bizarre (notable exception: Jeremy Howard). Now he's left. I would be truly amazed if Swift for ML goes anywhere.
nl 6y ago
It's pretty clear that since Chris Lattner left Google the Swift Tensorflow version isn't really going anywhere.
- dklend122 6y ago
  They are still paying a bunch of expensive devs to work on it, so maybe not.
  - nl 6y ago
    It looks more like between 3 and 5 devs, who probably came on at the same time as Lattner. It's roughly the same as the Java interface for TF has, and much smaller than the microcontroller TFLite team. That's lost in the TensorFlow team budget.
    - dklend122 6y ago
      More like 9 to 10 devs

pjmlp 6y ago

Yeah, Google is also another one struggling with hard times. Now contrast this with Java or .NET where the large majority of the development comes from the corporations themselves.

bartvk 6y ago
I'm having trouble reading sarcasm. Are you joking? Or is there a complaint in there somewhere?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Nah, just re-asserting how "important" this is to Apple and Google, better let others do the work for free, while aspiring to be future employees, or not.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Are you saying Apple should ban open source projects based on the Swift code base?
    - sanxiyn 6y ago
      I think pjmlp is saying that Apple should be the one to improve the debugger and to improve the Windows support in the Swift Package Manager, rather than soliciting contributions.
      - zapzupnz 6y ago
        And yet they didn't solicit anything. Posts on the Swift forums show that Saleem, known as compnerd, took on the task of porting to Windows himself, completely unprovoked — when he began to have something to show, the Swift developer community began to rally around him. That's how open source is supposed to work, isn't it? Somebody wants a thing, they develop it, release it, and everybody improves on it?