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Welp, Adrian Zenz strikes again. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's a fellow at 'Victim of Communism Foundation Memorial', set up and paid by US. Anecdota

Welp, Adrian Zenz strikes again. If you haven't heard of this guy, he's a fellow at 'Victim of Communism Foundation Memorial', set up and paid by US. Anecdotally, private businesses in China very much dislike taking in labor transfers (more or less a gov initiative) - because they had to provide housing, specific food (halal, etc), and even religious facilities while paying the same. The labor quality is not nearly as high as one on the market. This is essentially China's answer to increase employment for the remote regions. Of course they would 'suggest the transfers have coercive elements.' The same pay and benefits simply doesn't exist in the region, why would anyone want to go? /s

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
Reuters explicitly says that it has "corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program". I understand that Zenz may be controversial, but are you suggesting that Reuters in general is suspect because it's speaking out about this?
beatle_sauce 6y ago
Please take information with a grain of salt that tries to discredit the researcher, without even mentioning the actual argument. You might not agree with his world view, but Zenz found hard evidence of repression in Xinjiang and uncovered a Chinese government financed program for forced sterilization. If you are Chinese, be aware that any state-control model that works in Tibet or Xinjiang might also be transferred to other parts of China. The current political trajectory might continue. Xi Jinping is still young, he might be president for the next 30 years.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  Yes, in the study he claimed 80% of all China's IUD happened in Xinjiang, where simple math resulted in 8.7%. link to his report: https://web.archive.org/web/20200629192118/https://jamestown.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Zenz-Internment-Sterilizations-and-IUDs.pdf?x60014 https://web.archive.org/web/20200629192118/https://jamestown... link to actual source that Zenz himself used: https://preview.redd.it/xkytzc0iuna51.png?width=1425&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f9b19dd2f0fb0b2e1bf531faac00feaed397664 https://preview.redd.it/xkytzc0iuna51.png?width=1425&format=... Make it what you will.
- warninglights 6y ago
  Zenz extrapolated based on Food Subsidies. There are NO FACTS on number or what is done there. Go look at Grayzone on the coverage on Zenz. What motivation would they have to make China look better. I could claim people are learning mandarin there.
  - beatle_sauce 6y ago
    As you can find in one of his articles, he deducted his findings from from job descriptions and articles in newspapers (Renminribao, Xinhua): Xinjiang's rapidly evolving security state, Zenz et al., 2017 http://www.academia.edu/download/52174157/Xinjiangs_Rapidly_Evolving_Security_State_-_China_Brief_March_14__2017.pdf http://www.academia.edu/download/52174157/Xinjiangs_Rapidly_...
    - warninglights 6y ago
      There obvious propaganda spin. Will you not agree. "Cultural Genocide". Some of these horror were singing the national anthem and learning mandarin. How can jihadists be reintegrated into society without the ability to find jobs without knowing the national language. You if dare have such strong opinion at least look at the debunking material. Grayzone Editor dug deep into Zenz background. The fact he associated with right wing group with an objective to paint communism as the "real holocaust". And before you say conspiracy theory look at this posts OP post history - a ocean of anti-china posts. Also the reuters reporter same thing. How many times in history has US used false pretenses to go to war? [Edit] I did not realize hacknews has become xenophobic propaganda channel. Mods please do something. These posts have no place here

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago

Reuters explicitly says that it has "corroborated Zenz’s findings and found additional policy documents, company reports, procurement filings and state media reports that describe the program". I understand that Zenz may be controversial, but are you suggesting that Reuters in general is suspect because it's speaking out about this?

beatle_sauce 6y ago

Please take information with a grain of salt that tries to discredit the researcher, without even mentioning the actual argument. You might not agree with his world view, but Zenz found hard evidence of repression in Xinjiang and uncovered a Chinese government financed program for forced sterilization. If you are Chinese, be aware that any state-control model that works in Tibet or Xinjiang might also be transferred to other parts of China. The current political trajectory might continue. Xi Jinping is still young, he might be president for the next 30 years.

Aperocky 6y ago
Yes, in the study he claimed 80% of all China's IUD happened in Xinjiang, where simple math resulted in 8.7%. link to his report: https://web.archive.org/web/20200629192118/https://jamestown.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Zenz-Internment-Sterilizations-and-IUDs.pdf?x60014 https://web.archive.org/web/20200629192118/https://jamestown... link to actual source that Zenz himself used: https://preview.redd.it/xkytzc0iuna51.png?width=1425&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f9b19dd2f0fb0b2e1bf531faac00feaed397664 https://preview.redd.it/xkytzc0iuna51.png?width=1425&format=... Make it what you will.
warninglights 6y ago
Zenz extrapolated based on Food Subsidies. There are NO FACTS on number or what is done there. Go look at Grayzone on the coverage on Zenz. What motivation would they have to make China look better. I could claim people are learning mandarin there.
- beatle_sauce 6y ago
  As you can find in one of his articles, he deducted his findings from from job descriptions and articles in newspapers (Renminribao, Xinhua): Xinjiang's rapidly evolving security state, Zenz et al., 2017 http://www.academia.edu/download/52174157/Xinjiangs_Rapidly_Evolving_Security_State_-_China_Brief_March_14__2017.pdf http://www.academia.edu/download/52174157/Xinjiangs_Rapidly_...
  - warninglights 6y ago
    There obvious propaganda spin. Will you not agree. "Cultural Genocide". Some of these horror were singing the national anthem and learning mandarin. How can jihadists be reintegrated into society without the ability to find jobs without knowing the national language. You if dare have such strong opinion at least look at the debunking material. Grayzone Editor dug deep into Zenz background. The fact he associated with right wing group with an objective to paint communism as the "real holocaust". And before you say conspiracy theory look at this posts OP post history - a ocean of anti-china posts. Also the reuters reporter same thing. How many times in history has US used false pretenses to go to war? [Edit] I did not realize hacknews has become xenophobic propaganda channel. Mods please do something. These posts have no place here