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> The point of a lockdown is to stop people who think like you from hurting others. So is the point of banning alcohol, unprotected sex, smoking, and junk food

> The point of a lockdown is to stop people who think like you from hurting others. So is the point of banning alcohol, unprotected sex, smoking, and junk food. Drunk people can fight me and kill me while drunk driving. Unprotected sex may be more pleasurable but if we want to stop hurting others then condoms must be mandatory. Smoking is an easy one, I can smell that from like 30 feet away. It's clearly getting into my lungs. Ban it completely. It's been repeatedly shown that obesity is a social disease. What foods would be banned in your area of the country? I'm having a good Sunday, enjoy this with me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko Note that I'm a leftie and I love the video so I hope you and others can get over them poking fun at Elizabeth This is about choice. Stop the restrictions and let the people choose.

ehnto 6y ago
Drink driving is banned, smoking is banned in many situations and only thanks to tobacco lobbies and tax income is it not entirely banned. Having sex doesn't affect passers by, just the active participants. Junk food you choose to eat yourself, you don't hurt others with it. It can cost taxpayer dollars in medical funding though, if you want to take that angle. There are hundreds of laws to stop people from making choices that hurt others, so even if your examples weren't so flimsy they would still be moot. This is a once in a lifetime pandemic, it will pass, take it on the chin and accept that you might have to do something to help others. You will get your choice back soon enough. The choice to be a carrier during a pandemic affects everyone. Why is it individual liberty to choose to spread disease but public will when people die from it?
- just-juan-post 6y ago
  > Drink driving is banned Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. > smoking is banned in many situations Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. > Having sex doesn't affect passers by, just the active participants By making protection mandatory we keep people safe and healthy. > Junk food you choose to eat yourself As stated earlier it has been repeatedly shown that obesity is a social disease. I haven't even brought up second order effects. How much police and health care costs would we need by banning alcohol? Can you think of other second order effects? > This is a once in a lifetime pandemic This is a once in a lifetime panicdemic. Is it a pandemic if governments and organizations are begging people to get tested? Is it a pandemic when less than 1% of populations are positive let alone in a hospital or morgue? This isn't a pandemic. It's a panicdemic. Please stop keeping us safe. I appreciate your effort but let me choose. This is about choice.
  - TomSwirly 6y ago
    > > Drink driving is banned > Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. [...] This is about choice. So there should be no drunk driving laws "because choice"? Your argument really does seem to be, "Laws are worthless, because people break them", because you repeat it several times. > This isn't a pandemic. It's a panicdemic. I would be ashamed if I had written what you had written. Where are your rational arguments? Where are your links to peer reviewed papers? Where is the moral, rational or intellectual integrity here?
Yetanfou 6y ago
> Note that I'm a leftie and I love the video... Please don't explicitly state things like this, it only leads to more polarisation. Keep people guessing at your personal political preferences, they should not have any impact on whether what you say is deemed 'acceptable' or not.
- just-juan-post 6y ago
  Unfortunately it's mandatory because without it I and others like me are quickly branded with assumptive labels.
  - Yetanfou 6y ago
    I realise this but the solution is not to wave the don't shoot, I'm with you flag. The real solution is to get the discussion to revolve around the message instead of the messenger. This is a culture change and as such it takes time and you'll have to suffer the (no so) occasional downvote-into-oblivion experience but so be it. Here comes some ethically questionable but effective advice to stay alive in the HN jungle: if you're low on karma points you just post a few karma-whoring replies to top up the counter. Once you can breathe again you can state your mind freely until that karma counter goes down towards the red zone again after which you need to top it up again. It is very unfortunate that this is needed to stay alive here for those who have not yet built up a sufficient buffer of points but things being the way they are there is no other way for those who like to speak their mind on the edge of the sometimes very narrow Overton window.
    - just-juan-post 6y ago
      Thanks. For me the big things are: - Journalists and individuals need to use FOIA actions against their state and local governments to see e-mails to see what the true numbers are. That Nashville situation is absurd and we all know it's happening at a bunch of other places. - Middle class / "regular people" need to start speaking openly and questioning and discussing the lifestyle restrictions and closures. - A message of safety indirectly spreads a message of fear. Stop with all of the unnecessary post-Covid new normal "safety" things. - It's about choice and we are pro choice.

ehnto 6y ago

Drink driving is banned, smoking is banned in many situations and only thanks to tobacco lobbies and tax income is it not entirely banned. Having sex doesn't affect passers by, just the active participants. Junk food you choose to eat yourself, you don't hurt others with it. It can cost taxpayer dollars in medical funding though, if you want to take that angle. There are hundreds of laws to stop people from making choices that hurt others, so even if your examples weren't so flimsy they would still be moot. This is a once in a lifetime pandemic, it will pass, take it on the chin and accept that you might have to do something to help others. You will get your choice back soon enough. The choice to be a carrier during a pandemic affects everyone. Why is it individual liberty to choose to spread disease but public will when people die from it?

just-juan-post 6y ago
> Drink driving is banned Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. > smoking is banned in many situations Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. > Having sex doesn't affect passers by, just the active participants By making protection mandatory we keep people safe and healthy. > Junk food you choose to eat yourself As stated earlier it has been repeatedly shown that obesity is a social disease. I haven't even brought up second order effects. How much police and health care costs would we need by banning alcohol? Can you think of other second order effects? > This is a once in a lifetime pandemic This is a once in a lifetime panicdemic. Is it a pandemic if governments and organizations are begging people to get tested? Is it a pandemic when less than 1% of populations are positive let alone in a hospital or morgue? This isn't a pandemic. It's a panicdemic. Please stop keeping us safe. I appreciate your effort but let me choose. This is about choice.
- TomSwirly 6y ago
  > > Drink driving is banned > Yet it still happens and claims innocent victims. [...] This is about choice. So there should be no drunk driving laws "because choice"? Your argument really does seem to be, "Laws are worthless, because people break them", because you repeat it several times. > This isn't a pandemic. It's a panicdemic. I would be ashamed if I had written what you had written. Where are your rational arguments? Where are your links to peer reviewed papers? Where is the moral, rational or intellectual integrity here?

Yetanfou 6y ago

> Note that I'm a leftie and I love the video... Please don't explicitly state things like this, it only leads to more polarisation. Keep people guessing at your personal political preferences, they should not have any impact on whether what you say is deemed 'acceptable' or not.

just-juan-post 6y ago
Unfortunately it's mandatory because without it I and others like me are quickly branded with assumptive labels.
- Yetanfou 6y ago
  I realise this but the solution is not to wave the don't shoot, I'm with you flag. The real solution is to get the discussion to revolve around the message instead of the messenger. This is a culture change and as such it takes time and you'll have to suffer the (no so) occasional downvote-into-oblivion experience but so be it. Here comes some ethically questionable but effective advice to stay alive in the HN jungle: if you're low on karma points you just post a few karma-whoring replies to top up the counter. Once you can breathe again you can state your mind freely until that karma counter goes down towards the red zone again after which you need to top it up again. It is very unfortunate that this is needed to stay alive here for those who have not yet built up a sufficient buffer of points but things being the way they are there is no other way for those who like to speak their mind on the edge of the sometimes very narrow Overton window.
  - just-juan-post 6y ago
    Thanks. For me the big things are: - Journalists and individuals need to use FOIA actions against their state and local governments to see e-mails to see what the true numbers are. That Nashville situation is absurd and we all know it's happening at a bunch of other places. - Middle class / "regular people" need to start speaking openly and questioning and discussing the lifestyle restrictions and closures. - A message of safety indirectly spreads a message of fear. Stop with all of the unnecessary post-Covid new normal "safety" things. - It's about choice and we are pro choice.