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I don't think it's reasonable to make a comment like this without explaining why. He has designed a programming language, so it seems fair to assume he'd have

I don't think it's reasonable to make a comment like this without explaining why. He has designed a programming language, so it seems fair to assume he'd have an understanding of programming language design.

the_hoser 6y ago
You got a link for the compiler for said programming language?
- deleted 6y ago
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- ratww 6y ago
  I'm also not a fan of closed-source compilers (or fully closed, even worse), but it's unfair to disregard his work and opinions just because it's not publicly available. Regardless of that, this is not a discussion about compilers or compiler design/programming, but rather about PL design, which are two different areas and disciplines.
  - the_hoser 6y ago
    I'd even take a closed-source compiler. The problem is that, ultimately, he's effectively throwing rocks from a glass house, but he denies us the rocks to throw back. I just can't take him seriously.
    - dgellow 6y ago
      It's currently in private beta as far as I remember from his Twitter timeline.
- spatulon 6y ago
  Can you think of a less snarky way of saying that he hasn't released it publicly yet?
  - the_hoser 6y ago
    Nope. I'm hoping one day that they do. I don't pay attention to Jai anymore, and I'm hoping someone hits me with a link.
    - fsociety 6y ago
      They are currently closed beta testing the compiler, but it isn’t an abstract or imaginary thing.. he works with it all the time on his livestreams on Twitch.
      - the_hoser 6y ago
        So... no link yet.
- Twisol 6y ago
  Goodness, the lack of any compiler at all would disqualify a lot of cutting-edge academic research on programming languages, much less the existence of a publically-available compiler. Often all you get is a diagram full of (basically) inscrutable derivation rules.
  - the_hoser 6y ago
    And rightfully so. In spite of all of the theory going into those languages, the one thing they're all missing is practice.
    - Twisol 6y ago
      Yes, but now you've shifted the goalposts, because I think most people would generally consider PL researchers to have an understanding of programming language design.
      - the_hoser 6y ago
        Well, that's fine, then. Many of them do eventually create something useful later. Johnathan Blow is a game designer, though.
        dgellow 6y ago
        You can be more than one single thing. Johnathan Blow is a game designer, a game programmer, an entrepreneur, a programming language designer, etc. At the end of the day he's someone who do write software for a living since decades, and has strong opinions and expectations. And he's using this to create the tools he wants to have.
- Scarbutt 6y ago
  He has a beta program for those interested in trying out the compiler.
  - the_hoser 6y ago
    Interesting. Does he specify the qualifications needed to be included?
- IshKebab 6y ago
  Are you implying that it doesn't exist? It clearly does.
  - the_hoser 6y ago
    If I can't download and try it, it might as well not exist. There's no way to meaningfully evaluate the language without being able to use it.
coldtea 6y ago
>He has designed a programming language Hasn't everybody and their mums/dads by now? And even so, is that language succesful - to the extend that it means his ideas are more relevant that Rust's designers? It's just a concept implementation at the moment, not a real industry / production / community language.

the_hoser 6y ago

You got a link for the compiler for said programming language?

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ratww 6y ago
I'm also not a fan of closed-source compilers (or fully closed, even worse), but it's unfair to disregard his work and opinions just because it's not publicly available. Regardless of that, this is not a discussion about compilers or compiler design/programming, but rather about PL design, which are two different areas and disciplines.
- the_hoser 6y ago
  I'd even take a closed-source compiler. The problem is that, ultimately, he's effectively throwing rocks from a glass house, but he denies us the rocks to throw back. I just can't take him seriously.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    It's currently in private beta as far as I remember from his Twitter timeline.
spatulon 6y ago
Can you think of a less snarky way of saying that he hasn't released it publicly yet?
- the_hoser 6y ago
  Nope. I'm hoping one day that they do. I don't pay attention to Jai anymore, and I'm hoping someone hits me with a link.
  - fsociety 6y ago
    They are currently closed beta testing the compiler, but it isn’t an abstract or imaginary thing.. he works with it all the time on his livestreams on Twitch.
    - the_hoser 6y ago
      So... no link yet.
Twisol 6y ago
Goodness, the lack of any compiler at all would disqualify a lot of cutting-edge academic research on programming languages, much less the existence of a publically-available compiler. Often all you get is a diagram full of (basically) inscrutable derivation rules.
- the_hoser 6y ago
  And rightfully so. In spite of all of the theory going into those languages, the one thing they're all missing is practice.
  - Twisol 6y ago
    Yes, but now you've shifted the goalposts, because I think most people would generally consider PL researchers to have an understanding of programming language design.
    - the_hoser 6y ago
      Well, that's fine, then. Many of them do eventually create something useful later. Johnathan Blow is a game designer, though.
      - dgellow 6y ago
        You can be more than one single thing. Johnathan Blow is a game designer, a game programmer, an entrepreneur, a programming language designer, etc. At the end of the day he's someone who do write software for a living since decades, and has strong opinions and expectations. And he's using this to create the tools he wants to have.
Scarbutt 6y ago
He has a beta program for those interested in trying out the compiler.
- the_hoser 6y ago
  Interesting. Does he specify the qualifications needed to be included?
IshKebab 6y ago
Are you implying that it doesn't exist? It clearly does.
- the_hoser 6y ago
  If I can't download and try it, it might as well not exist. There's no way to meaningfully evaluate the language without being able to use it.

coldtea 6y ago

>He has designed a programming language Hasn't everybody and their mums/dads by now? And even so, is that language succesful - to the extend that it means his ideas are more relevant that Rust's designers? It's just a concept implementation at the moment, not a real industry / production / community language.