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I look forward to the day that Elon "one million robotaxis" Musk gets a similar level of scrutiny.

by djrobstep 6y ago

KiwiJohnno 6y ago
Musk definitely overpromises and doesn't deliver on time... But he usually does deliver what he said, just years late.
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agumonkey 6y ago
Musk left the vaporware club long ago. Not saying he's babbling a lot and may still be guilty of lying to investors in the future.. but right now the data says otherwise.
jp0d 6y ago
Come on mate. He is at least a proper engineer. He builds stuff himself. No project gets delivered exactly on the promised date. There is always a delay. That's normal. I'm a petrol head (read idiot) and I don't like Tesla cars. But I'm fascinated with engineering and I do appreciate Elon Musk. He is bloody awesome.
- djrobstep 6y ago
  - One million robotaxis - "Full self drive" - Neuralink - Solar roof (totally faked demo) It's all there if you look past the personality cult.
  - KiwiJohnno 6y ago
    - Founded three different multi-billion $ companies - Created market for practical, affordable electric cars - First successful car company listed on the stock exchange since Ford - Founded most valuable car company in the world - Made model S, model 3 which have 98% customer satisfaction - Produced cars on the cutting edge of automation technology (no, not really self-drive, but still market leading) - Has manufactured 800k + cars - First private company to launch a spacecraft into orbit and return it to earth - First (and only) company to carry humans into orbit and return to earth - Developed re-usable rockets - Developed and flew the first full-flow staged combustion engine. Is Musk perfect? No. But, he has achieved an amazing amount. Calling him a "fraud" or putting him in the same category as Trevor Milton is clearly dishonest. He is extremely polarizing, yes... And the cult around him is... Distasteful. But if you don't respect what he has achieved, then just what would it take?
  - jp0d 6y ago
    @djrobstep mate, be realistic and give credit where credit's due! @KiwiJohnno Nice one! :D
  - nickik 6y ago
    Robotaxi and Self Driving are basically the same thing. Yes, he is overly optimistic on that. What about Neuralink? Nobody ever said it was a product that you could buy. They are clearly working on it. What your issue? The Solar roof wasn't fake. They just realized they couldn't scale fast it and had to do more validation testing to prove that it could last 30 years. They are now delivering a pretty large numbers of them. He said in 2015 that they will deliver 500k vehicles in 2020 and it looks like they might hit that. That is an insane growth. The Shanghai factory has been a model vehicle manufacturing program. The Model Y was delivered perfectly on time. Berlin and Austin seem to be going great. There is absolutely nothing to complain about as a shareholder since they overestimated how fast they could scale Model 3, the execution the last 2 years has been brilliant. And we want even start talking about SpaceX one of the most amazing companies in the world. If at this point you still have an issue with Musk other then that you personally don't like him, its really a you problem.

I look forward to the day that Elon "one million robotaxis" Musk gets a similar level of scrutiny.

KiwiJohnno 6y ago

Musk definitely overpromises and doesn't deliver on time... But he usually does deliver what he said, just years late.

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agumonkey 6y ago

Musk left the vaporware club long ago. Not saying he's babbling a lot and may still be guilty of lying to investors in the future.. but right now the data says otherwise.

jp0d 6y ago

Come on mate. He is at least a proper engineer. He builds stuff himself. No project gets delivered exactly on the promised date. There is always a delay. That's normal. I'm a petrol head (read idiot) and I don't like Tesla cars. But I'm fascinated with engineering and I do appreciate Elon Musk. He is bloody awesome.

djrobstep 6y ago
- One million robotaxis - "Full self drive" - Neuralink - Solar roof (totally faked demo) It's all there if you look past the personality cult.
- KiwiJohnno 6y ago
  - Founded three different multi-billion $ companies - Created market for practical, affordable electric cars - First successful car company listed on the stock exchange since Ford - Founded most valuable car company in the world - Made model S, model 3 which have 98% customer satisfaction - Produced cars on the cutting edge of automation technology (no, not really self-drive, but still market leading) - Has manufactured 800k + cars - First private company to launch a spacecraft into orbit and return it to earth - First (and only) company to carry humans into orbit and return to earth - Developed re-usable rockets - Developed and flew the first full-flow staged combustion engine. Is Musk perfect? No. But, he has achieved an amazing amount. Calling him a "fraud" or putting him in the same category as Trevor Milton is clearly dishonest. He is extremely polarizing, yes... And the cult around him is... Distasteful. But if you don't respect what he has achieved, then just what would it take?
- jp0d 6y ago
  @djrobstep mate, be realistic and give credit where credit's due! @KiwiJohnno Nice one! :D
- nickik 6y ago
  Robotaxi and Self Driving are basically the same thing. Yes, he is overly optimistic on that. What about Neuralink? Nobody ever said it was a product that you could buy. They are clearly working on it. What your issue? The Solar roof wasn't fake. They just realized they couldn't scale fast it and had to do more validation testing to prove that it could last 30 years. They are now delivering a pretty large numbers of them. He said in 2015 that they will deliver 500k vehicles in 2020 and it looks like they might hit that. That is an insane growth. The Shanghai factory has been a model vehicle manufacturing program. The Model Y was delivered perfectly on time. Berlin and Austin seem to be going great. There is absolutely nothing to complain about as a shareholder since they overestimated how fast they could scale Model 3, the execution the last 2 years has been brilliant. And we want even start talking about SpaceX one of the most amazing companies in the world. If at this point you still have an issue with Musk other then that you personally don't like him, its really a you problem.