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Out running this morning and a lady runs past me

71 points by nowandlater 6y ago

SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
This could’ve been easily prevented if she’d bothered to read the 4000 word privacy policy and carefully scoured every dark corner of the app’s settings for user-hostile defaults.
bobblywobbles 6y ago
Terrible! This should be disabled by default! Safety first always!
soared 6y ago
Used to happen to me on bike rides all the time. You can enable a settings that fuzzes your starting/ending location by half a mile, but that is pretty deep in the settings. Unrelated - my Strava got hacked and I now follow hundreds of Brazilians. Strava support said kick rocks, and changing my password didn’t resolve it. Now I just don’t track rides
- schwartzworld 6y ago
  as someone in the Twitter thread points out, knowing someone's running route could be more dangerous than their address.
mcv 6y ago
> "So basically if someone sees a woman running alone there's an app they can go to see her name, picture and address" Only if she's using Strava. I'm no runner, but I'm sure there are better running apps out there. Like ones that don't share your private data with the entire world.
- Lammy 6y ago
  Yeah, she had it coming for using the wrong app. I mean, she shouldn’t have been dressed that way. I mean— am I doing this right?
  - mcv 6y ago
    I'm just saying it's worth boycotting that app for this (and not just by women). That doesn't mean they shouldn't still be held liable. You can do both.
- hooksfordays 6y ago
  As someone who is a runner, Strava has ingrained itself as the de facto running and biking social app. You can certainly use other (better) apps for tracking and insights, but there’s no replacement for its community offering. They’ve put themselves in a position that demands better thought and attention to details like this.
bzb5 6y ago
>So basically if someone sees a woman running alone there's an app they can go to see her name, picture and address How sexist. Women are as a strong as men and should not be treated like babies.
- jjbinx007 6y ago
  "A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had an average of 26 lbs. (12 kilograms) more skeletal muscle mass than women. Women also exhibited about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, the study found." -- source https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.2000.89.1.81 https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.2000....
- galoisgirl 6y ago
  > Women are as a strong as men Are you trolling? Why do you think there are separate sports competitions?
  - curation 6y ago
    Just breaking this down so we can map the possibilities and not fall apart into binaries: First, the female gender has, until very recently been literally hobbled and socialized to avoid sweat and any kind of physical efforts. My grandmother wore girdles and her mother wore corsets and they both only wore heels. So, we are new to sport and training and, we are catching up. Give us a century. Second, It depends on how you define stronger: “The hypothesis that the survival advantage of women has fundamental biological underpinnings is supported by the fact that under very harsh conditions females survive better than males even at infant ages when behavioral and social differences may be minimal or favor males.” https://www.pnas.org/content/115/4/E832.full https://www.pnas.org/content/115/4/E832.full and https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7b6484fb-3b00-46d6-a557-ac2a0b6f8591 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7b6484fb-3b00-46d6-a5...
    - newen 6y ago
      This is delusional nonsense. Just because women have better endurance and survival advantages in specific situations like very long distance running and conditions in that paper doesn’t mean they aren’t physically weaker than men by massive margins. And it certainly doesn’t mean that their weaker bodies are due to social conditioning.
boltefnovor 6y ago
The headline for this should be “Strava endangers the lives and safety of women.” The current headline essentially says “I went for a walk today and something mildly interesting happened.”
- pylua 6y ago
  Seems like it is more than women that it endangers potentially. Is there anything in the app that exports information to the outside world only if the user is female ?
  - 9dev 6y ago
    This specific case revolves around user’s routes being visible for anyone they physically cross on their way. They don’t need this information in the app because they’ve met them personally. Besides real names and probably profile images being visible in the app, making it easy to guess the gender.
kdtop 6y ago
Outsider here. What is Strava? How widespread is it's use?
- krimpenrik 6y ago
  Strava is the most popular gps tracker app for bike riding, and can be used for running as well.

71 points by nowandlater 6y ago

This could’ve been easily prevented if she’d bothered to read the 4000 word privacy policy and carefully scoured every dark corner of the app’s settings for user-hostile defaults.

bobblywobbles 6y ago

Terrible! This should be disabled by default! Safety first always!

soared 6y ago

Used to happen to me on bike rides all the time. You can enable a settings that fuzzes your starting/ending location by half a mile, but that is pretty deep in the settings. Unrelated - my Strava got hacked and I now follow hundreds of Brazilians. Strava support said kick rocks, and changing my password didn’t resolve it. Now I just don’t track rides

schwartzworld 6y ago
as someone in the Twitter thread points out, knowing someone's running route could be more dangerous than their address.

mcv 6y ago

> "So basically if someone sees a woman running alone there's an app they can go to see her name, picture and address" Only if she's using Strava. I'm no runner, but I'm sure there are better running apps out there. Like ones that don't share your private data with the entire world.

Lammy 6y ago
Yeah, she had it coming for using the wrong app. I mean, she shouldn’t have been dressed that way. I mean— am I doing this right?
- mcv 6y ago
  I'm just saying it's worth boycotting that app for this (and not just by women). That doesn't mean they shouldn't still be held liable. You can do both.
hooksfordays 6y ago
As someone who is a runner, Strava has ingrained itself as the de facto running and biking social app. You can certainly use other (better) apps for tracking and insights, but there’s no replacement for its community offering. They’ve put themselves in a position that demands better thought and attention to details like this.

bzb5 6y ago

>So basically if someone sees a woman running alone there's an app they can go to see her name, picture and address How sexist. Women are as a strong as men and should not be treated like babies.

jjbinx007 6y ago
"A study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had an average of 26 lbs. (12 kilograms) more skeletal muscle mass than women. Women also exhibited about 40 percent less upper-body strength and 33 percent less lower-body strength, on average, the study found." -- source https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.2000.89.1.81 https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/jappl.2000....
galoisgirl 6y ago
> Women are as a strong as men Are you trolling? Why do you think there are separate sports competitions?
- curation 6y ago
  Just breaking this down so we can map the possibilities and not fall apart into binaries: First, the female gender has, until very recently been literally hobbled and socialized to avoid sweat and any kind of physical efforts. My grandmother wore girdles and her mother wore corsets and they both only wore heels. So, we are new to sport and training and, we are catching up. Give us a century. Second, It depends on how you define stronger: “The hypothesis that the survival advantage of women has fundamental biological underpinnings is supported by the fact that under very harsh conditions females survive better than males even at infant ages when behavioral and social differences may be minimal or favor males.” https://www.pnas.org/content/115/4/E832.full https://www.pnas.org/content/115/4/E832.full and https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7b6484fb-3b00-46d6-a557-ac2a0b6f8591 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/7b6484fb-3b00-46d6-a5...
  - newen 6y ago
    This is delusional nonsense. Just because women have better endurance and survival advantages in specific situations like very long distance running and conditions in that paper doesn’t mean they aren’t physically weaker than men by massive margins. And it certainly doesn’t mean that their weaker bodies are due to social conditioning.

boltefnovor 6y ago

The headline for this should be “Strava endangers the lives and safety of women.” The current headline essentially says “I went for a walk today and something mildly interesting happened.”

pylua 6y ago
Seems like it is more than women that it endangers potentially. Is there anything in the app that exports information to the outside world only if the user is female ?
- 9dev 6y ago
  This specific case revolves around user’s routes being visible for anyone they physically cross on their way. They don’t need this information in the app because they’ve met them personally. Besides real names and probably profile images being visible in the app, making it easy to guess the gender.

kdtop 6y ago

Outsider here. What is Strava? How widespread is it's use?

krimpenrik 6y ago
Strava is the most popular gps tracker app for bike riding, and can be used for running as well.