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He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.
by johnwheeler 6y ago
He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.
- plutonorm 6y agoWhat people put into their bodies is their own business.
- johnwheeler 6y agoSo you say. I’m not obliged to agree with what you think should be legal or illegal.
- henearkr 6y agoThis has nothing to do with an abstract notion of morality. In our society, we look out for each other, if somebody is in distress, e.g. hurt on the side of the road, we help him, call an ambulance, he gets medical help. The fact that society makes huge efforts to save and cure people requiring medical attention, is at the root of the taboo on substances (or behaviors) that are unhealthy. Otherwise that would be a pure waste of resources for the society. At least that was the theory. In practice, you are free to drink booze until you pass out...
- johnwheeler 6y agoYes, this is correct. I also don’t want my children to take drugs, and when you make things widely available, people use them more. You don’t have to look further than the opioid crisis to see that.
- bunfunton 6y agoSo perhaps you should teach them not to use drugs instead of trying to control what other people are allowed to put into their own bodies.
- pkphilip 6y agoIt really should be both.
- vips7L 6y agoDisregarding the fact that opioids are still illegal without a prescription (much like meth, and marijuana) there's plenty of articles that show that legalizing marijuana has lowered opioid use in those states.
- jokethrowaway 6y agoThat's the opposite of what studies on drugs use/availability say. People in the Netherlands don't get stoned everyday just because they can.
- HoveringOrb 6y agoI want to agree with this, but I've seen firsthand how meth heads bring down everyone around them.
- bunfunton 6y agoMeth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. It’s a benefit for me and many others. Meth is the only thing that treats my adhd without horrible side effects, it’s the smoothest calmest most effective solution. 10mg / day orally. I can’t afford the outragous out of pocket price for desoxyn per month. Moreover, after initially being prescribed it and having great results, after moving I can’t find any psychiatrist willing to prescribe it because they are all terrified of the DEA. Thus I and many other stigmatized people directly benefit from cheap pure meth on the street. Thanks for reading about one casualty of the drug war (me). Go look up reviews for desoxyn if you’re curious. Yes it’s the same thing.
- johnwheeler 6y agoThis is ridiculous. The poster clearly meant recreational abuse of meth. Your anecdotal experience with ADHD medicine does not warrant advocation of meth across the board for your sake. The difficulty you’re having is a direct consequence of how toxic and life destroying meth is.
- bunfunton 6y agoSomething like <10% of people who try meth get addicted. Perhaps we should ban donuts next :)
- rhexs 6y agoMeth isn’t a life destroying poison because you’re addicted to it? Is that really the argument?
- tchaffee 6y agoThat's called confirmation bias. The people who are living fulfilling and successful lives using meth, cocaine, wine, tea, or marijuana do not advertise it and therefor you have zero information about how many of them there are. Well people do talk about the legal and socially acceptable ones: wine, tea, and increasingly marijuana. So until meth becomes both legal and socially acceptable, your anecdotal data is heavily skewed towards those who crashed. With that said, meth undoubtedly has a higher potential for abuse and addiction than marijuana and is worse for the health when abused. But evaluating just how much of a difference is near impossible while it remains illegal and while there is an huge and profitable government funded industry around the war on drugs.
- dTal 6y agoNo. We live in a society. If I'm expected to help pick up the pieces when you self-destruct, it's absolutely my business.
- derbOac 6y agoExcept that criminalization doesn't help anyone pick up the pieces, at least as criminalization goes in the us today. There's also lots of ways to self destruct that aren't criminalized.
- dTal 6y agoYou are arguing against a position I did not take. My sole point is that hyper-permissive individualistic libertarianism is inappropriate in a cohesive society. Your health, your success, even your happiness; all affect me. We all depend on each other. As such, it's simply not correct to say "it's my business what I put in my body". "No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as any manner of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind. And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
- lotsofpulp 6y agoSugar, alcohol, and sitting have cost society more than meth, yet no one is going to go around policing people for those vices. Education and positive incentives are the better solution.
- syspec 6y agoYou're doing that right now, with your tax dollars. It cost $81,203 _per year_ to house just one inmate in California[0]. I understand punishing sellers, but I think the punishments for drug charges (and most charges in the US), are so draconian. 1 Year in prison for this guy should be enough. From what I've heard, prison is terrible, people do not want to spend 1 day in prison. There is absolutely nothing he will learn in year 3, or year 4, or year 5, that will make him a better person when he comes out. "Tough on crime" and "war on drugs" are just two huge mistakes we have made that we cannot retract, because it is politically unpopular to do so. [0] https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost
- CincinnatiMan 6y agoNot if it results in them becoming a burden on society, both financially and socially.
- luckylion 6y agoDoes it necessarily? Was Paul Erdös a burden on society, both financially and socially? Are people who have handicaps because of sporting accidents not a financial burden on society, should we outlaw Snowboarding?
- johnwheeler 6y agoWell, he probably didn’t burglarize and mug people for snowboard gear, so there’s that.
- luckylion 6y agoI guess meth isn't the issue then, otherwise he would have.
- optimalsolver 6y agoAnd what their daughters put into their bodies are their daughters' own business.
- johnwheeler 6y agoSays the millennial without kids.
- plutonorm 6y agoI have a son and a daughter. 4 yo and 6 yo. Once they are old enough, it is absolutely up to them what they put into their bodies.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y agoThe Uzi was a semi-automatic. It wouldn't be any more dangerous than your typical Glock, but would be bigger and heavier. He's still a felon carrying a gun which is bad, but it's not worse than any other gun.
- Kiro 6y agoFor someone outside the US your comment sounds so alien.
- tacocataco 6y agoMaybe he wouldn't need a gun if his trade was legal and he could call the cops when people threaten him.
- TheAdamAndChe 6y agoBut it's not legal.
- johnnyfaehell 6y agoI guess the thing is, if drugs were legal the chances are lots of drug dealers would be doing some other crime. There are obivously drug dealers that sell just to pay for their own drug usage. But there are lots and lots are in it for the money and choose crime because it's easy to get into.
- grumple 6y agoOther types of crime require crimes against people. I know easily dozens of people who have dealt drugs, half of them are small women, and none of them would hurt anyone or commit other crimes. Your argument is unsupported by evidence.
- johnnyfaehell 6y agoMy argument is supported by crime statistics that show lots of drug dealers are convicted of other crimes. I would like to point out that I used the word lots and not many, not most, not all. I specifically used the word lots. So counter statements like yours couldn't be used. And if we're going to be pedantic, I guess it's my turn. > Other types of crime require crimes against people. There area many crimes where you don't commit it againit a person. Selling counterfeit goods, the victim is a company. Creating fake currency. Selling illegal weapons. Smuggling people in to countries (many do commit crimes againist people, but it is not required, just taking money and getting someone across a border hurts no-one). Shoplifting. Insurance fraud. The list goes on and on.
- grumple 6y agoThe word "lots" is what's called a weasel word [1]. 1000 is "lots". Is it a lot if there are a million drug dealers? How does it compare to other crime correlations? Or general rates in the population? Your logic is fallacious. You know what has a 100% correlation with dealing drugs and committing those other crimes? Breathing. Drinking water. Eating. Correlation tells us little. Perhaps it does hint that a disregard for authority exists. Also I'd say most of those crimes are not victimless... 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
- gilrain 6y ago...or your son.