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What part of the Julian Assange, Wikileaks, and US' War Crimes isn't incendiary? This is not a subject for sensitive feelings. It is extremely important that

What part of the Julian Assange, Wikileaks, and US' War Crimes isn't incendiary? This is not a subject for sensitive feelings. It is extremely important that discourse not be repressed for the sake of political expediency ... If there were more awareness of the horrors, Assange wouldn't have been so necessary. If we want to reign in the war-mongers, we must hold them accountable. Always.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
The problem isn't your descriptions of the actions which Assange reported on. The problem is your use of phrases like "Ma' Russians" and your strange reference to a "chemical castration" of Assange.
- pftf 6y ago
  You're just tone policing here. You should engage with the actual subject of the discussion, or say nothing at all. People aren't unemotional robots, and thus don't always conform to prejudices on what constitutes the 'correct' tone. It's more useful to criticize the substance of a persons words, not how they choose to express them.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I was explaining the issue to the commenter, since they seemed to be expressing honest confusion about why their comment comes across as incendiary. I certainly agree it's better to avoid engaging with inflammatory rhetoric, but we shouldn't let that become a refusal to help people moderate their tone when they don't mean to give offense.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      I couldn't care a fig for tone policing. You should be getting challenged on this subject, if you think its something that we should be more 'mild mannered' about. Genocide is happening, for fucks sake. CIA has 2000 secret torture/rendition sites. Is that really something you want people to be using 'inclusive language' to describe? Perhaps you should have a session with the "empathy police". Iraq lost 5% of its population because of these heinous criminal liars that still run America today. Thank goodness for Assange, letting the free world know! America is bombing the fuck out of the world, and expects to be getting away with it - and the message in lobotomising Assange, is to let you and me know that we better not be trying to discuss this fact. FUCK THAT. Get mad about what is being done to Julian Assange - because we are next.
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        I don't think there's some blanket obligation to be mild mannered. By all means, use incisive language to describe bad things! The problem is with passages like > but yeah, drop the ol' "Ma' Russians!" into the conversations, and heads explode. This isn't an attempt to vividly illustrate the problem or an expression of righteous anger. It's just trolling - it accomplishes nothing but inciting people to yell back at you.
        newen 6y ago
        It’s fact isn’t it? The US government as well as Americans themselves regularly use crimes done by Russia and China to distract from crimes done by their own government.
      - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
        Genocide is not happening. You won’t be taken seriously if you make such claims.
        jessaustin 6y ago
        Why is it always brown people whose blood and bones are ground up in the gristmill of the American war machine? Doesn't that seem just a bit genocidal? Even in places like Latin America where the reptiles could choose among a variety of races as collaborators in their monstrous schemes, they somehow always ally with white people to kill indigenous people. This is going on right now in Bolivia, and Venezuela has had this potential for a long time, but historically one must take care to find an uncolored spot on the map. [0] No one in this thread cares to "be taken seriously" by those who don't acknowledge recent history. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
        pvaldes 6y ago
        > Genocide is not happening Not, it is not. In any case, having 201.000 Americans killed in less than a year (after being goose-feeded with fake news to ignore the danger), does not feel like an improvement over the classical stuff. (Without forgetting the rest of covid's victims, of course).

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

The problem isn't your descriptions of the actions which Assange reported on. The problem is your use of phrases like "Ma' Russians" and your strange reference to a "chemical castration" of Assange.

pftf 6y ago
You're just tone policing here. You should engage with the actual subject of the discussion, or say nothing at all. People aren't unemotional robots, and thus don't always conform to prejudices on what constitutes the 'correct' tone. It's more useful to criticize the substance of a persons words, not how they choose to express them.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I was explaining the issue to the commenter, since they seemed to be expressing honest confusion about why their comment comes across as incendiary. I certainly agree it's better to avoid engaging with inflammatory rhetoric, but we shouldn't let that become a refusal to help people moderate their tone when they don't mean to give offense.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    I couldn't care a fig for tone policing. You should be getting challenged on this subject, if you think its something that we should be more 'mild mannered' about. Genocide is happening, for fucks sake. CIA has 2000 secret torture/rendition sites. Is that really something you want people to be using 'inclusive language' to describe? Perhaps you should have a session with the "empathy police". Iraq lost 5% of its population because of these heinous criminal liars that still run America today. Thank goodness for Assange, letting the free world know! America is bombing the fuck out of the world, and expects to be getting away with it - and the message in lobotomising Assange, is to let you and me know that we better not be trying to discuss this fact. FUCK THAT. Get mad about what is being done to Julian Assange - because we are next.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      I don't think there's some blanket obligation to be mild mannered. By all means, use incisive language to describe bad things! The problem is with passages like > but yeah, drop the ol' "Ma' Russians!" into the conversations, and heads explode. This isn't an attempt to vividly illustrate the problem or an expression of righteous anger. It's just trolling - it accomplishes nothing but inciting people to yell back at you.
      - newen 6y ago
        It’s fact isn’t it? The US government as well as Americans themselves regularly use crimes done by Russia and China to distract from crimes done by their own government.
    - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
      Genocide is not happening. You won’t be taken seriously if you make such claims.
      - jessaustin 6y ago
        Why is it always brown people whose blood and bones are ground up in the gristmill of the American war machine? Doesn't that seem just a bit genocidal? Even in places like Latin America where the reptiles could choose among a variety of races as collaborators in their monstrous schemes, they somehow always ally with white people to kill indigenous people. This is going on right now in Bolivia, and Venezuela has had this potential for a long time, but historically one must take care to find an uncolored spot on the map. [0] No one in this thread cares to "be taken seriously" by those who don't acknowledge recent history. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
      - pvaldes 6y ago
        > Genocide is not happening Not, it is not. In any case, having 201.000 Americans killed in less than a year (after being goose-feeded with fake news to ignore the danger), does not feel like an improvement over the classical stuff. (Without forgetting the rest of covid's victims, of course).