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HN is very quick to criticize the administration (which believe me has a ton to criticize) for this move but also defend China's blocking of international apps.
by alfalfasprout 6y ago
HN is very quick to criticize the administration (which believe me has a ton to criticize) for this move but also defend China's blocking of international apps.
- taurath 6y agoI remember when the US was the one for a free and open internet instead of a segmented one.
- mathnmusic 6y agoI'd argue that banning apps from non-free and non-open economies encourages a free and open internet by aligning incentives. Really, reciprocity (and the paradox of intolerance) is an implicit expectation in many situations and we need to talk about how to deal with it.
- wyattpeak 6y agoI believe in freedom of speech. Should I stop people who don't believe in it from speaking to encourage alignment of incentives?
- lightgreen 6y agoThis is a false analogy. China doesn't just not "believe" in free speech, it also bans, imprisons, tortures, spies and do other harmful things. Also states are not people. Also there are situations when there are reasons to limit free speech (like war). And so on.
- scarface74 6y agoAnd the US would never torture people? We also have 21% of all people incarcerated in the world with only 4% of the population. The US doesn’t exactly have the moral high ground. As far as believing in free speech, isn’t the current administration trying to regulate tech because it doesn’t like what is being said on their platforms?
- SomeJohn 6y agoWhat's your point? No matter how bad the US govt does, it doesn't mean we shall give a free pass to communist China to do whatever they want.
- scarface74 6y agoSo why is the administration also going after Twitter and FaceBook (unfair to conservatives) and Amazon (because Bezos owns WaPo) but not going after Sinclair (conservative company buying up local TV stations)?
- lightgreen 6y agoHow exactly the administration is "going after" Twitter, Facebook and Amazon?
- scarface74 6y agohttps://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798759/trump-social-media-regulation-fcc-ftc-conservative-bias https://www.theverge.com/2019/8/9/20798759/trump-social-medi... And just so it can’t be claimed that I’m only citing the MSM https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/facebook-targeted-in-possible-ftc-antitrust-case https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/facebook-targeted-in-...
- lightgreen 6y agoThank you for the links! It's not clear what that regularion would do. If for example, it means that I could sue Twitter to force them unban me, I would consider that a good for all win-win regulation. The second one seems to be unrelated to free speech.
- chairmanwow1 6y ago2020 was the year that convinced me that the American empire is drawing to a close. I guess it comes down to if I can swallow Chinese ideology when the US descends into chaos. Might be an easy decision to swap my blue passport for a red one.
- ergocoder 6y agoDepending on whether the other group tries to undermine you. We surely like freedom of speech but still we want to silence, for example, anti-vaxxer.
- meowfly 6y agoIf the question is framed, Should I stop someone trying to stop someone from exercising their freedom of speech? Definitely. This is the paradox of tolerance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- devmunchies 6y agofreedom ain't free, baby. We're in a cold war.
- taurath 6y agoFreedom ain’t free, and we’ve gotta pay for it with our freedoms! Baby
- devmunchies 6y agoYup! It’s a digital embargo. You always lose freedoms when fighting for freedoms. Some people even lose their lives. The hope is that we only lose the freedom temporarily (e.g. the freedom to buy a Cuban cigar being reinstated).
- staticman2 6y agoWe stopped being for a free and open internet when we allowed Apple to ban Firefox and other apps on IOS.
- evan_ 6y agoYou don’t see any difference between Apple doing something and the federal government doing something?
- staticman2 6y agoApple has federal government granted monopolies on patents, copyrights, and trademarks that forward their plan of eliminating a free and open Internet and make it illegal to compete with them. So no I don't think there is a real distinction.
- bassman9000 6y agoHow many years does the US need to keep pretending China will become equally open?
- resters 6y agoThere is no national security justification for banning TikTok. Where's the relevant source code? It would be easy to make the claim totally obvious, yet this isn't done. Conclusion: It's false.
- ViViDboarder 6y agoWait, really? On the post this morning folks were applauding this decision and others were pointing out that they criticized China for it. A lot has changed in the last 12 hours I guess.
- dheera 6y agoWhile there is much to criticize of the HN community, who here is defending China's blocking of international apps? I've seen very little, if any, of that. Criticizing US blocking stuff != defending China blocking stuff
- wyldfire 6y agoWhat's the rationale for supporting china's restrictions on apps?
- umanwizard 6y agoI have literally never seen someone on HN defend China's blocking of foreign apps.