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Angular seems to be dying. Svelte is an interesting contender. I think it will be React's main competitor given a year or two.

by erokar 6y ago

blntechie 6y ago
Angular is huge inside big enterprises. Much more popular than React. Svelte is very cool though.
LocalPCGuy 6y ago
This is a popular opinion particularly if all someone pays attention to is Twitter and Reddit but I'd argue it is a wrong opinion. Angular is alive and well, and being used/adopted every day for projects no one hears about. It isn't the "sexy" choice, but it is the one a lot of companies make. And if you're gonna point to opinion polls, and all kinds of respect to those who put them out, but they have a hard time capturing Angular usage due to selection bias.
- erokar 6y ago
  Depends where you live and work I suppose. I used to work in a consultancy firm in Norway that was all in on Angular two-three years ago. Angular has been very popular in enterprise here. But Twitter and Reddit reach enterprise too in the end. The consultancy firm has now switched more or less entirely over to React because Angular is so out of vogue.
  - fein 6y ago
    US consultant here with a similar story. A lot of what we're doing now seems to be moving toward headless CMS and headless ecommerce with NextJS/Gatsby for the integration point. I'm still a big fan of Angular, but the amount of work we're getting asking for Angular has dropped off a cliff.
  - machello13 6y ago
    I used to work for a big financial analytics company that used Angular 1.5 for everything. Around the time I left, they started migrating to VueJS instead. Obviously this is all anecdotal, and I have no doubt AngularJS is still being used in a lot of places, but I think there's reason to believe its share might be shrinking.
    - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
      AngularJS is obviously shrinking. It's the 1.x version, and no one should be starting new projects with it. I don't think anyone is referring to AngularJS. When people say Angular, they'd be referring to v2.0+.
      - machello13 6y ago
        I was referring to all versions of the library. If companies are switching away from Angular, Angular's share will be shrinking.
  - lokethien 6y ago
    Similar story in the old company I worked for. Though I have experienced that there are a few companies that are happy with Angular and see no reason to switch.
mattlondon 6y ago
Angular is massive - MASSIVE - within large orgs you will have heard of but which I cannot name for obvious reasons. The twitterati and hobbyist crowd seem to love react, but anecdotally I've yet to see it used seriously at a BigCo, but Ng+TS is everywhere.
- sdfhbdf 6y ago
  Your comment seems to present anecdotal evidence as facts about $framework's popularity. I think that's misleading. I'm wondering if there's a scraper out there crawling Alexa TOP 1xxx pages for use of specific libraries, frameworks? Maybe that would present a more accurate picture about this. Also it's often misleading since in any company with more than a few employees there seems to be more than one team of developers which often leads to different frameworks being used in different parts of the company. In $dayJob we use Angular in some legacy internal stuff, React in a rewritten consumer-facing project and preact or jQuery in a different consumer-facing project. It's not that simple to determine marketshare of frameworks I think. We can just present different numbers and draw different conclusions from it, e.g. number of job postings mentioning specific frameworks, number of downloads in a registry, number of domains using it (assuming one app per domain), number of stars on github or number of people claiming to use it in the stackoverflow survey.
  - mattlondon 6y ago
    Builtwith.com does what you describe although not sure if it can detect react/angular/etc. Not everything is public facing though, particularly in enterprise
  - JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
    A lot of the web isn't publicly accessible. And most .com marketing sites are built on a much different tech stack than the actual product. Example: landing page is Wordpress, actual site is a SPA (be it React/Angular/Vue etc).
- miohtama 6y ago
  I can name Google.
Barrin92 6y ago
>Angular seems to be dying lol. In the US open jobs for Angular and React are about 50/50. (Indeed/SimplyHired), in much of the EU Angular is way more popular than React still. Is Angular the new Rails in this regard? It's not going anywhere, massive businesses use it at a huge scale and it works.

Angular seems to be dying. Svelte is an interesting contender. I think it will be React's main competitor given a year or two.

by erokar 6y ago

Angular seems to be dying. Svelte is an interesting contender. I think it will be React's main competitor given a year or two.

blntechie 6y ago

Angular is huge inside big enterprises. Much more popular than React. Svelte is very cool though.

LocalPCGuy 6y ago

This is a popular opinion particularly if all someone pays attention to is Twitter and Reddit but I'd argue it is a wrong opinion. Angular is alive and well, and being used/adopted every day for projects no one hears about. It isn't the "sexy" choice, but it is the one a lot of companies make. And if you're gonna point to opinion polls, and all kinds of respect to those who put them out, but they have a hard time capturing Angular usage due to selection bias.

erokar 6y ago
Depends where you live and work I suppose. I used to work in a consultancy firm in Norway that was all in on Angular two-three years ago. Angular has been very popular in enterprise here. But Twitter and Reddit reach enterprise too in the end. The consultancy firm has now switched more or less entirely over to React because Angular is so out of vogue.
- fein 6y ago
  US consultant here with a similar story. A lot of what we're doing now seems to be moving toward headless CMS and headless ecommerce with NextJS/Gatsby for the integration point. I'm still a big fan of Angular, but the amount of work we're getting asking for Angular has dropped off a cliff.
- machello13 6y ago
  I used to work for a big financial analytics company that used Angular 1.5 for everything. Around the time I left, they started migrating to VueJS instead. Obviously this is all anecdotal, and I have no doubt AngularJS is still being used in a lot of places, but I think there's reason to believe its share might be shrinking.
  - LocalPCGuy 6y ago
    AngularJS is obviously shrinking. It's the 1.x version, and no one should be starting new projects with it. I don't think anyone is referring to AngularJS. When people say Angular, they'd be referring to v2.0+.
    - machello13 6y ago
      I was referring to all versions of the library. If companies are switching away from Angular, Angular's share will be shrinking.
- lokethien 6y ago
  Similar story in the old company I worked for. Though I have experienced that there are a few companies that are happy with Angular and see no reason to switch.

mattlondon 6y ago

Angular is massive - MASSIVE - within large orgs you will have heard of but which I cannot name for obvious reasons. The twitterati and hobbyist crowd seem to love react, but anecdotally I've yet to see it used seriously at a BigCo, but Ng+TS is everywhere.

sdfhbdf 6y ago
Your comment seems to present anecdotal evidence as facts about $framework's popularity. I think that's misleading. I'm wondering if there's a scraper out there crawling Alexa TOP 1xxx pages for use of specific libraries, frameworks? Maybe that would present a more accurate picture about this. Also it's often misleading since in any company with more than a few employees there seems to be more than one team of developers which often leads to different frameworks being used in different parts of the company. In $dayJob we use Angular in some legacy internal stuff, React in a rewritten consumer-facing project and preact or jQuery in a different consumer-facing project. It's not that simple to determine marketshare of frameworks I think. We can just present different numbers and draw different conclusions from it, e.g. number of job postings mentioning specific frameworks, number of downloads in a registry, number of domains using it (assuming one app per domain), number of stars on github or number of people claiming to use it in the stackoverflow survey.
- mattlondon 6y ago
  Builtwith.com does what you describe although not sure if it can detect react/angular/etc. Not everything is public facing though, particularly in enterprise
- JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
  A lot of the web isn't publicly accessible. And most .com marketing sites are built on a much different tech stack than the actual product. Example: landing page is Wordpress, actual site is a SPA (be it React/Angular/Vue etc).
miohtama 6y ago
I can name Google.

Barrin92 6y ago

>Angular seems to be dying lol. In the US open jobs for Angular and React are about 50/50. (Indeed/SimplyHired), in much of the EU Angular is way more popular than React still. Is Angular the new Rails in this regard? It's not going anywhere, massive businesses use it at a huge scale and it works.