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Remember when people went ballistic when Trump suggested UV light therapy could be a treatment. (probably still isnt but it was considered a scientific impossi

Remember when people went ballistic when Trump suggested UV light therapy could be a treatment. (probably still isnt but it was considered a scientific impossibility that UV light does anything to a virus at the time).

WalterGR 6y ago
You're wrong. "Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," Trump said at the White House coronavirus press briefing, adding: "Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way." It was absolutely not considered a scientific impossibility that UV light would have an affect on the virus outside the body.
- trident1000 6y ago
  Not impossible either: "A Cedars-Sinai research team is in the pre-clinical stages of developing a technology that harnesses intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light for treating viruses and bacteria. The technology has not been tested or used on patients. Cedars-Sinai has filed for patents related to the technology and has signed a licensing agreement with Aytu BioScience with the aim of potentially enabling near-term use as a COVID-19 intervention for critically ill, intubated patients." It was a suggestion to explore it (all possibilities).
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    If it was an informed suggestion, where are we on injecting disinfectant into bodies?
ajmarsh 6y ago
Yes when the majority of what you say is untrue, people have a tendency to discount your recommendations.
mensetmanusman 6y ago
People’s heads explode when he says lots of things. It would be better if he never mentioned anything, so that it wouldn’t muddy the waters. We know that he won’t stop being who he is though, so we are being extorted by the situation to change.
- dx87 6y ago
  Pretty funny that you say he shouldn't be able to talk because people can't control their emotions, and hate everything he says just because he's the one that said it. Maybe those people should learn to communicate like adults instead of expecting everyone they don't like to be quiet.
  - macintux 6y ago
    When the vast majority of things a world leader says are destructive, deceitful, or ignorant, and everything he says is self-serving, it’s hard not to wish he’d just go away.
    - mellosouls 6y ago
      people can't control their emotions, and hate everything he says just because he's the one that said it I think your reply was kind of self-defeating in this context.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      Except that he hasn't. The vast majority of things you think he said, he didn't actually say. We've never had a media that distorts everything this bad. Every little thing he does say is taken out of context.
Finnucane 6y ago
UV light wouldn't help you much if you are already infected.
marcosdumay 6y ago
> but it was considered a scientific impossibility that UV light does anything to a virus at the time People never contested that UV light could kill the virus (there were many experiments running at the time, and I think some conclusions too). The Trump suggestion is stupid simply because UV light isn't selective, and whatever it did to the virus inside your body, it would do exactly the same to your body too. Just like his suggestion of injecting bleach - it would almost certainly kill the infection, just as soon as it would kill you.
triceratops 6y ago
> it was considered a scientific impossibility that UV light does anything to a virus at the time Citation required. UV light as a disinfectant is fairly well known. It's not because he suggested UV light that people went ballistic. It's because he suggested shining it inside people's bodies. In that same press conference he also suggested using bleach inside the body.
- hiram112 6y ago
  He never used the word 'bleach'. Ironically, he used the word... 'disinfectant', as did you. The media started off the rumor of bleach, and before you know it, his accurate statement was twisted into him telling people to literally inject or guzzle bleach. And you wonder why we call it fake news. Here is the actual quote: https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump...
  - triceratops 6y ago
    You're right, he didn't explicitly say the word "bleach". Totally fake news then, that's proved me an idiot that has. /s In a briefing where they presented "a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces." he suggested putting a "disinfectant" inside human bodies. Totally different thing. Let's just use one of the other disinfectants that's safe to put inside the body instead. [1] /s It's fortunate that being a good communicator isn't one of the required skills in his job. /s I think your bar for calling something "fake" needs to be revised. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 "Not only does consuming or injecting disinfectant risk poisoning and death, it's not even likely to be effective. Equally, by the time the virus has taken hold inside your body, no amount of UV light on your skin is going to make a difference. And since UV radiation damages the skin, using it to kill the virus could be a case of - to borrow a well-worn phrase - the cure being worse than the disease."
  - jiofih 6y ago
    The site is blocking EU visitors. Here is the quote for the curious, make your own judgement :) > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that
xutopia 6y ago
If you are going to recount what he said at least mention the quote: “Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous ultra violet or just very powerful light” What the original post mentions is directly hitting the virus. If we hit the body with enough UV light to destroy the virus inside us we would destroy the body too.
spinach 6y ago
He's the president of America, he's being briefed on these things by intelligent, professional people. But then he spews it out randomly and uselessly.

WalterGR 6y ago

You're wrong. "Suppose that we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it's ultraviolet or just very powerful light," Trump said at the White House coronavirus press briefing, adding: "Supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way." It was absolutely not considered a scientific impossibility that UV light would have an affect on the virus outside the body.

trident1000 6y ago
Not impossible either: "A Cedars-Sinai research team is in the pre-clinical stages of developing a technology that harnesses intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light for treating viruses and bacteria. The technology has not been tested or used on patients. Cedars-Sinai has filed for patents related to the technology and has signed a licensing agreement with Aytu BioScience with the aim of potentially enabling near-term use as a COVID-19 intervention for critically ill, intubated patients." It was a suggestion to explore it (all possibilities).
- WalterGR 6y ago
  If it was an informed suggestion, where are we on injecting disinfectant into bodies?

ajmarsh 6y ago

Yes when the majority of what you say is untrue, people have a tendency to discount your recommendations.

mensetmanusman 6y ago

People’s heads explode when he says lots of things. It would be better if he never mentioned anything, so that it wouldn’t muddy the waters. We know that he won’t stop being who he is though, so we are being extorted by the situation to change.

dx87 6y ago
Pretty funny that you say he shouldn't be able to talk because people can't control their emotions, and hate everything he says just because he's the one that said it. Maybe those people should learn to communicate like adults instead of expecting everyone they don't like to be quiet.
- macintux 6y ago
  When the vast majority of things a world leader says are destructive, deceitful, or ignorant, and everything he says is self-serving, it’s hard not to wish he’d just go away.
  - mellosouls 6y ago
    people can't control their emotions, and hate everything he says just because he's the one that said it I think your reply was kind of self-defeating in this context.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    Except that he hasn't. The vast majority of things you think he said, he didn't actually say. We've never had a media that distorts everything this bad. Every little thing he does say is taken out of context.

Finnucane 6y ago

UV light wouldn't help you much if you are already infected.

marcosdumay 6y ago

> but it was considered a scientific impossibility that UV light does anything to a virus at the time People never contested that UV light could kill the virus (there were many experiments running at the time, and I think some conclusions too). The Trump suggestion is stupid simply because UV light isn't selective, and whatever it did to the virus inside your body, it would do exactly the same to your body too. Just like his suggestion of injecting bleach - it would almost certainly kill the infection, just as soon as it would kill you.

triceratops 6y ago

> it was considered a scientific impossibility that UV light does anything to a virus at the time Citation required. UV light as a disinfectant is fairly well known. It's not because he suggested UV light that people went ballistic. It's because he suggested shining it inside people's bodies. In that same press conference he also suggested using bleach inside the body.

hiram112 6y ago
He never used the word 'bleach'. Ironically, he used the word... 'disinfectant', as did you. The media started off the rumor of bleach, and before you know it, his accurate statement was twisted into him telling people to literally inject or guzzle bleach. And you wonder why we call it fake news. Here is the actual quote: https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus https://www.statesman.com/news/20200713/fact-check-did-trump...
- triceratops 6y ago
  You're right, he didn't explicitly say the word "bleach". Totally fake news then, that's proved me an idiot that has. /s In a briefing where they presented "a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces." he suggested putting a "disinfectant" inside human bodies. Totally different thing. Let's just use one of the other disinfectants that's safe to put inside the body instead. [1] /s It's fortunate that being a good communicator isn't one of the required skills in his job. /s I think your bar for calling something "fake" needs to be revised. 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177 "Not only does consuming or injecting disinfectant risk poisoning and death, it's not even likely to be effective. Equally, by the time the virus has taken hold inside your body, no amount of UV light on your skin is going to make a difference. And since UV radiation damages the skin, using it to kill the virus could be a case of - to borrow a well-worn phrase - the cure being worse than the disease."
- jiofih 6y ago
  The site is blocking EU visitors. Here is the quote for the curious, make your own judgement :) > And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it'd be interesting to check that

xutopia 6y ago

If you are going to recount what he said at least mention the quote: “Supposing we hit the body with a tremendous ultra violet or just very powerful light” What the original post mentions is directly hitting the virus. If we hit the body with enough UV light to destroy the virus inside us we would destroy the body too.

spinach 6y ago

He's the president of America, he's being briefed on these things by intelligent, professional people. But then he spews it out randomly and uselessly.