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I'm the opposite. I'd rather China have my data then the NSA. China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? It's not like the Unit

I'm the opposite. I'd rather China have my data then the NSA. China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? It's not like the United States will extradite their own citizens to China or anything like that. The United States could easily use my data to come after me at some point, if they decide to. They could make my political viewpoints illegal (like the McCarthy Era) and find evidence of my views from my data and throw me in jail or worse.

Aperocky 6y ago
Same as all of the accusation of 'shills' that points to whoever post anything that can be remotely construed as 'pro-China' Seriously, I don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  I don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum. It's not a theory, it's been documented. I believe the New York Times was the most recent publication to run an article about it.
  - Aperocky 6y ago
    plz link.
koheripbal 6y ago
The Americans might charge you with sedition - the Chinese will rob you. ... but the second is way more likely than the first so you're trading evils.
CincinnatiMan 6y ago
Look at it from a different angle of giving data to China gives them more power and reduces the power of the US. It may not matter a ton in your lifetime, but maybe your kids will see China as the world superpower, imposing its value system onto the world. I'd prefer the US remain the top dog because while not perfect, I like the value system of the US more than I do China.
- marnett 6y ago
  Do you currently believe that the US remains the uncontested "top dog" currently in 2020?
  - prichino 6y ago
    Of course, militarily, economically, politically. China is having some of their worst years in decades. The US is doing great, just look around you
    - namelosw 6y ago
      Have you been to both of the countries this year? It's exactly the opposite, at least for 2020.
- ixtli 6y ago
  Eh. There’s a long list of moral bankruptcy even before trump. We operate literal concentration camps for children here and I don’t see these breathless articles in the international press about that.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    We operate literal concentration camps for children here Holocaust survivors would find your hyperbole disgusting.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      Some actual holocaust survivors do. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-holocaust-survivors-respond-to-aocs-concentration-camp-comments https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-holocaust-survivors-res...) Some actual holocaust survivors do not, and consider it similar to their lived experience, not hyperbole. (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/a-dallas-holocaust-survivor-sees-his-reflection-in-the-faces-of-children-separated-from-their-parents/ https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/a-d..., https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-border-detention-centers-are-like-concentration-camps https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-bor...) This is a point of record; no need to hypothesize.
andreilys 6y ago
Here's a scenario: You get into elected office, or you get a job working with sensitive information. You don't think it's even remotely possible that you could be blackmailed?
- Flockster 6y ago
  Do you mean the intelligence community of the US or China? Because both would be applicable.
- matwood 6y ago
  TikTok doesn't add anything to the dataset that's already out there. Nearly every US citizen worth blackmailing has already had their data stolen by foreign actors because of lax security controls. Also, people put up plenty of blackmail worthy material in public as it is. Foreign actors who want to blackmail people could not have purpose built a tool better than Facebook.
notmynormalacc5 6y ago
> China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? The Chinese government itself need not come after you. Anyone with access to their database (e.g. family members of politically-connected party members) can use it against you, which is what happened to me.
SkyMarshal 6y ago
>China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? This is oblivious to what's actually happening. It's quite clear that the CCP's objective is to extend their internal thought controls globally, by any means available - economic extortion, blackmail, bribes, etc. Just because you don't live in China doesn't mean you're safe from this. One recent example is using economic extortion to prevent NBA managers from criticizing the regime. They do that kind of thing publicly and privately all over the world. CCP is gathering data on everyone in the world into a giant training database for their AI, which they'll then use to discover and target people for further thought control - politicians, citizens in positions of influence, etc. If not opposed, it will create an incredible chilling effect on free speech throughout the world. In the West, not only can we elect reps to change laws to protect us from this, we have a mostly independent judiciary to strike down unconstitutional laws or to hold organs of the state like NSA and CIA accountable. CCP has none of that - no free elections, and their courts are an organ of the CCP, not independent. If the world doesn't push back on this hard right now, it will only get much worse. How many times do we have to learn not to appease authoritarians? They see appeasement as weakness, and it only emboldens them.

Aperocky 6y ago

Same as all of the accusation of 'shills' that points to whoever post anything that can be remotely construed as 'pro-China' Seriously, I don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum.

reaperducer 6y ago
I don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum. It's not a theory, it's been documented. I believe the New York Times was the most recent publication to run an article about it.
- Aperocky 6y ago
  plz link.

koheripbal 6y ago

The Americans might charge you with sedition - the Chinese will rob you. ... but the second is way more likely than the first so you're trading evils.

CincinnatiMan 6y ago

Look at it from a different angle of giving data to China gives them more power and reduces the power of the US. It may not matter a ton in your lifetime, but maybe your kids will see China as the world superpower, imposing its value system onto the world. I'd prefer the US remain the top dog because while not perfect, I like the value system of the US more than I do China.

marnett 6y ago
Do you currently believe that the US remains the uncontested "top dog" currently in 2020?
- prichino 6y ago
  Of course, militarily, economically, politically. China is having some of their worst years in decades. The US is doing great, just look around you
  - namelosw 6y ago
    Have you been to both of the countries this year? It's exactly the opposite, at least for 2020.
ixtli 6y ago
Eh. There’s a long list of moral bankruptcy even before trump. We operate literal concentration camps for children here and I don’t see these breathless articles in the international press about that.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  We operate literal concentration camps for children here Holocaust survivors would find your hyperbole disgusting.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    Some actual holocaust survivors do. (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-holocaust-survivors-respond-to-aocs-concentration-camp-comments https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-holocaust-survivors-res...) Some actual holocaust survivors do not, and consider it similar to their lived experience, not hyperbole. (https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/a-dallas-holocaust-survivor-sees-his-reflection-in-the-faces-of-children-separated-from-their-parents/ https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2018/06/19/a-d..., https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-border-detention-centers-are-like-concentration-camps https://www.thedailybeast.com/holocaust-survivor-yes-the-bor...) This is a point of record; no need to hypothesize.

andreilys 6y ago

Here's a scenario: You get into elected office, or you get a job working with sensitive information. You don't think it's even remotely possible that you could be blackmailed?

Flockster 6y ago
Do you mean the intelligence community of the US or China? Because both would be applicable.
matwood 6y ago
TikTok doesn't add anything to the dataset that's already out there. Nearly every US citizen worth blackmailing has already had their data stolen by foreign actors because of lax security controls. Also, people put up plenty of blackmail worthy material in public as it is. Foreign actors who want to blackmail people could not have purpose built a tool better than Facebook.

notmynormalacc5 6y ago

> China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? The Chinese government itself need not come after you. Anyone with access to their database (e.g. family members of politically-connected party members) can use it against you, which is what happened to me.

SkyMarshal 6y ago

>China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? This is oblivious to what's actually happening. It's quite clear that the CCP's objective is to extend their internal thought controls globally, by any means available - economic extortion, blackmail, bribes, etc. Just because you don't live in China doesn't mean you're safe from this. One recent example is using economic extortion to prevent NBA managers from criticizing the regime. They do that kind of thing publicly and privately all over the world. CCP is gathering data on everyone in the world into a giant training database for their AI, which they'll then use to discover and target people for further thought control - politicians, citizens in positions of influence, etc. If not opposed, it will create an incredible chilling effect on free speech throughout the world. In the West, not only can we elect reps to change laws to protect us from this, we have a mostly independent judiciary to strike down unconstitutional laws or to hold organs of the state like NSA and CIA accountable. CCP has none of that - no free elections, and their courts are an organ of the CCP, not independent. If the world doesn't push back on this hard right now, it will only get much worse. How many times do we have to learn not to appease authoritarians? They see appeasement as weakness, and it only emboldens them.