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It's also disappointing that Biden apparently has no opinion on this issue? You would think that this ban would be a topic in the election but as far as I can

by kanox 6y ago

It's also disappointing that Biden apparently has no opinion on this issue? You would think that this ban would be a topic in the election but as far as I can tell democrats are fully onboard with the whole "china bad" thing and restricting social media.

abc-xyz 6y ago
Biden appear to be pro-China and has gone on record saying he would end Trump’s China tariffs.
- Finnucane 6y ago
  The tariffs are stupid and have not really had any positive result.
  - abc-xyz 6y ago
    I disagree. They’ve done a lot of economic damage to China (besides war then it’s probably the best way we have to combat the CCP), and they’ve forced companies to move their manufacturing out of China. Even high-end tech stuff like the iPhone is starting to get assembled outside of China. In response to the tariffs, China also ended their domestic ownership rules (requiring 50% ownership by Chinese companies) for auto companies and financial institutions.
    - Finnucane 6y ago
      It hasn't helped US manufacturing at all. As was claimed it would.
      - abc-xyz 6y ago
        I think the people that expected this to happen are the same people who thought he’d succeed in building the wall. Although it probably has accelerated the need for automated manufacturing capabilities. I’m sure there are many who believed this, but I’m also sure there are many like me who supported it solely because it would hurt China, knowing full well that the companies would just move their manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, etc.
        Finnucane 6y ago
        So we pay, and other countries gain?
        abc-xyz 6y ago
        The entire world gains if the CCP collapse. If we weren’t willing to make sacrifices then Nazi Germany would likely be the world’s superpower today. I personally think it’s better to make financial sacrifices now and try to isolate China from the rest of the world, instead of waiting for them to do to Taiwan, Laos, Thailand, Japan, etc. as they have done to Mongolia, Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc.
        Finnucane 6y ago
        Nothing we do is going to make the CCP collapse. Trump sure as hell isn't. He doesn't care about any of that stuff.
- matwood 6y ago
  Biden said last night that China is a 'competitor' and Russia is an 'opponent'. Not sure that makes him pro-China. It's possible he thinks breaking all ties and increasing tariffs are the wrong way to go about dealing with China. Tariffs may look good in the short term, but China thinks long term. They only have to wait 4 years, and they can probably get EOs/tariffs changed or rolled back. Long term changes happen from deepening Chinese relationships and passing laws.
  - abc-xyz 6y ago
    I often hear people wonder how Biden would deal with China - to those I say look at what he and Obama accomplished (with regard to China) during their 8 years, and you’ll have your answer. Passing laws can also easily be overturned and ignored, and usually amount to nothing because the process is so slow. Trump’s actions (and China’s reactions) have rightfully turned CCP’s into the worlds greatest enemy. It’s not just the tariffs that will force companies to leave China (and they’re unlikely to return once they’ve set up base elsewhere, and once India, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. establish manufacturing hubs capable of assembling high tech), you also have Huawei not being allowed to use Android and chips with US tech (which will basically kill their phones) and being blocked from building 5G networks (even paying other nations to block them as well), China Mobile being blocked from offering services in US, HK special status being revoked, pushing for China to lose their WTO developing country status, continuously reminding the world that China are responsible for the Wuhan virus. Trump also managed to force Universal Postal Union to allow countries to raise postal rates (something China have been abusing, forcing other countries to cover shipping costs for cheap junk brought on aliexpress), his administration also requested Meng Wanzhou’s arrest in Canada which resulted in China arbitrarily arresting Canadian citizens, he was the US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades, TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was signed under his administration, and he’s now banning TikTok and WeChat.. I could probably find many more things to add to the list, but my point is that unlike previous administrations (and other countries), he’s actually doing something meaningful to stand up to China.

by kanox 6y ago

abc-xyz 6y ago

Biden appear to be pro-China and has gone on record saying he would end Trump’s China tariffs.

Finnucane 6y ago
The tariffs are stupid and have not really had any positive result.
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  I disagree. They’ve done a lot of economic damage to China (besides war then it’s probably the best way we have to combat the CCP), and they’ve forced companies to move their manufacturing out of China. Even high-end tech stuff like the iPhone is starting to get assembled outside of China. In response to the tariffs, China also ended their domestic ownership rules (requiring 50% ownership by Chinese companies) for auto companies and financial institutions.
  - Finnucane 6y ago
    It hasn't helped US manufacturing at all. As was claimed it would.
    - abc-xyz 6y ago
      I think the people that expected this to happen are the same people who thought he’d succeed in building the wall. Although it probably has accelerated the need for automated manufacturing capabilities. I’m sure there are many who believed this, but I’m also sure there are many like me who supported it solely because it would hurt China, knowing full well that the companies would just move their manufacturing to Vietnam, India, Mexico, etc.
      - Finnucane 6y ago
        So we pay, and other countries gain?
        abc-xyz 6y ago
        The entire world gains if the CCP collapse. If we weren’t willing to make sacrifices then Nazi Germany would likely be the world’s superpower today. I personally think it’s better to make financial sacrifices now and try to isolate China from the rest of the world, instead of waiting for them to do to Taiwan, Laos, Thailand, Japan, etc. as they have done to Mongolia, Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, etc.
        Finnucane 6y ago
        Nothing we do is going to make the CCP collapse. Trump sure as hell isn't. He doesn't care about any of that stuff.
matwood 6y ago
Biden said last night that China is a 'competitor' and Russia is an 'opponent'. Not sure that makes him pro-China. It's possible he thinks breaking all ties and increasing tariffs are the wrong way to go about dealing with China. Tariffs may look good in the short term, but China thinks long term. They only have to wait 4 years, and they can probably get EOs/tariffs changed or rolled back. Long term changes happen from deepening Chinese relationships and passing laws.
- abc-xyz 6y ago
  I often hear people wonder how Biden would deal with China - to those I say look at what he and Obama accomplished (with regard to China) during their 8 years, and you’ll have your answer. Passing laws can also easily be overturned and ignored, and usually amount to nothing because the process is so slow. Trump’s actions (and China’s reactions) have rightfully turned CCP’s into the worlds greatest enemy. It’s not just the tariffs that will force companies to leave China (and they’re unlikely to return once they’ve set up base elsewhere, and once India, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. establish manufacturing hubs capable of assembling high tech), you also have Huawei not being allowed to use Android and chips with US tech (which will basically kill their phones) and being blocked from building 5G networks (even paying other nations to block them as well), China Mobile being blocked from offering services in US, HK special status being revoked, pushing for China to lose their WTO developing country status, continuously reminding the world that China are responsible for the Wuhan virus. Trump also managed to force Universal Postal Union to allow countries to raise postal rates (something China have been abusing, forcing other countries to cover shipping costs for cheap junk brought on aliexpress), his administration also requested Meng Wanzhou’s arrest in Canada which resulted in China arbitrarily arresting Canadian citizens, he was the US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made the largest arms sale to Taiwan in the past few decades, TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was signed under his administration, and he’s now banning TikTok and WeChat.. I could probably find many more things to add to the list, but my point is that unlike previous administrations (and other countries), he’s actually doing something meaningful to stand up to China.