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In the spectrum of "evil", I'd rather an NSA run by American citizens to have my data than the Chinese government. I can, in theory, at least elect representati
by drchopchop 6y ago
In the spectrum of "evil", I'd rather an NSA run by American citizens to have my data than the Chinese government. I can, in theory, at least elect representatives to change the policies of the NSA. I have no such power over China, and China is actively censoring and repressing citizens who even mildly criticize the state.
How are those the same?
- seventhtiger 6y agoCan Europeans say the same, or should they block Google and Facebook?
- justinclift 6y ago> ... or should they block Google and Facebook? Probably yes? :)
- joshgel 6y agoDon't we just end up with a balkanized internet? A Euro-net, US-net, China-net? I guess Canada goes in with Euro-net?
- justinclift 6y agoWell, what else do you suggest doing with companies literally damaging humanity? eg Facebook (easily qualifies), Google (somewhat)
- koheripbal 6y agoThis is already happening.
- drchopchop 6y agoEuropeans are free to say the same, or negotiate acceptable GDPR-style data protection standards with the countries that receive their data (which in many cases has already happened).
- abc-xyz 6y agoEU have already ordered Facebook (and others) to restrict data sent from EU to US. If US started banning EU tech companies (like China are doing) then it would of course make sense for EU to do the same to US tech companies. This is of course unlikely to happen as EU and US fairly operate in the free market.
- codedokode 6y agoOf course they should. Google and Facebook can be an invaluable source of intelligence information and threaten national security.
- Miner49er 6y agoI'm the opposite. I'd rather China have my data then the NSA. China has less incentive to go after me, and what are they gonna do to me? It's not like the United States will extradite their own citizens to China or anything like that. The United States could easily use my data to come after me at some point, if they decide to. They could make my political viewpoints illegal (like the McCarthy Era) and find evidence of my views from my data and throw me in jail or worse.
- Aperocky 6y agoSame as all of the accusation of 'shills' that points to whoever post anything that can be remotely construed as 'pro-China' Seriously, I don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum.
- reaperducer 6y agoI don't think CCP cares about you enough to pay people who write good English (not so easy to find in China, surprise!) to try to influence your opinion on an online forum. It's not a theory, it's been documented. I believe the New York Times was the most recent publication to run an article about it.
- Aperocky 6y agoplz link.
- koheripbal 6y agoThe Americans might charge you with sedition - the Chinese will rob you. ... but the second is way more likely than the first so you're trading evils.
- CincinnatiMan 6y agoLook at it from a different angle of giving data to China gives them more power and reduces the power of the US. It may not matter a ton in your lifetime, but maybe your kids will see China as the world superpower, imposing its value system onto the world. I'd prefer the US remain the top dog because while not perfect, I like the value system of the US more than I do China.
- tehwebguy 6y agoWhy? As someone in the US the NSA can have me arrested, CCP can’t.
- Mindless2112 6y agoInstead, the CCP can say "it'd be a shame if the US authorities found out what you're doing, but if you share some of your company's confidential documents with us then we won't tell."
- codedokode 6y agoWhat CCP can collect through apps like TikTok cannot even remotely be compared to what US Government knows about you if you are using Google Mail, Google Maps (collects your location data), Android, Facebook etc.
- Mindless2112 6y agoThe point is that it is naive to claim that a foreign government will have no power over you.
- bagacrap 6y agoyou think tiktok does not/can not collect your location data? You think all groups of people are equally trustworthy? You think it's better to have to trust more groups of people rather than fewer?
- idrios 6y ago> I can, in theory, at least elect representatives to change the policies of the NSA Please let me know which representatives have 'reducing power and increasing accountability of the NSA' as part of their running platform in the upcoming election so I know who to vote for. I'll even compromise with 'bring back net neutrality', 'use of encryption as a universal right', or GDRP-level protections of consumer data.