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I used the speeding analogy because it shares many similarities: speed limits are posted (Epic read the contract), you are aware that exceeding them is breaking

by abduhl 6y ago

I used the speeding analogy because it shares many similarities: speed limits are posted (Epic read the contract), you are aware that exceeding them is breaking the law generally (Epic knew what would breach the contract), and you agreed to follow that rule when you got a license (Epic signed the contract). Taking a picture of a cop is not similar: it's not illegal to take a picture of a cop in public generally, everyone knows that, and you never agreed to not take a cop's picture in any way.

DarkmSparks 6y ago
A better speeding analogy would be your neigbour putting up a 5mph limit sign on your street then saying he doesnt have to give your lawn mower back because you broke it.
- skygazer 6y ago
  It sounds like you’re implying it should be safe to sign any contract you don’t intend to honor, so far as it’s your opinion it’s a ridiculous contract. I’m not certain that’s true in practice.
  - DarkmSparks 6y ago
    Its perfectly safe to invalidate a contract in court, recommended practice even.
- dpkonofa 6y ago
  How is that a better analogy in any way? A better analogy would be going to a race track and breaking the rules and having them tell you that you can't race your car there anymore. Apple owns their app store. In the same way that no one can force a mom and pop shop to sell their goods, no one can force Apple to sell their goods.
  - DarkmSparks 6y ago
    Apple owns the app store, but they do not own the most of the apps on peoples phones. Behaving like they do is called "antitrust"
dwild 6y ago
> I used the speeding analogy because it shares many similarities: That's so an obvious lie, seriously please be honest. You could use ANY analogy where there's no danger, which would then have more similarities, but still decided not to do that? Hell you could even go with going 80 miles an hours in a 60 miles an hour zone and then challenging the legality of that. Why would you go with an infraction that big as an analogy? You chose a dangerous one to break, while there's literally no danger involved in the infringement of Epic. You chose to use theses emotions to support your argument.
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
I did not mean to question your motives for using the analogy. Nonetheless it is loaded because it casts Epic as an actor doing something extremely dangerous. I just wanted to note that because it significantly affects the framing.

by abduhl 6y ago

DarkmSparks 6y ago

A better speeding analogy would be your neigbour putting up a 5mph limit sign on your street then saying he doesnt have to give your lawn mower back because you broke it.

skygazer 6y ago
It sounds like you’re implying it should be safe to sign any contract you don’t intend to honor, so far as it’s your opinion it’s a ridiculous contract. I’m not certain that’s true in practice.
- DarkmSparks 6y ago
  Its perfectly safe to invalidate a contract in court, recommended practice even.
dpkonofa 6y ago
How is that a better analogy in any way? A better analogy would be going to a race track and breaking the rules and having them tell you that you can't race your car there anymore. Apple owns their app store. In the same way that no one can force a mom and pop shop to sell their goods, no one can force Apple to sell their goods.
- DarkmSparks 6y ago
  Apple owns the app store, but they do not own the most of the apps on peoples phones. Behaving like they do is called "antitrust"

dwild 6y ago

> I used the speeding analogy because it shares many similarities: That's so an obvious lie, seriously please be honest. You could use ANY analogy where there's no danger, which would then have more similarities, but still decided not to do that? Hell you could even go with going 80 miles an hours in a 60 miles an hour zone and then challenging the legality of that. Why would you go with an infraction that big as an analogy? You chose a dangerous one to break, while there's literally no danger involved in the infringement of Epic. You chose to use theses emotions to support your argument.

asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago

I did not mean to question your motives for using the analogy. Nonetheless it is loaded because it casts Epic as an actor doing something extremely dangerous. I just wanted to note that because it significantly affects the framing.