3 ms·

I don’t think you have to shut down Facebook. Just shut down targeted advertising, algorithmic filtering of content, and a lot of their surveillance practices (

I don’t think you have to shut down Facebook. Just shut down targeted advertising, algorithmic filtering of content, and a lot of their surveillance practices (e.g. shadow profiles).

disgruntledphd2 6y ago
Should Google's targeted advertising also be prohibited? Should Google's algorithmic filtering of content also be prohibited? Should Doubleclick/Google's surveillance practices (which almost certainly include some kind of "shadow" profile) be prohibited? Also, people have been talking about shadow profiles for at least a decade now, and yet no disgruntled FB employee has revealed all. Why do you think that is?
- kelnos 6y ago
  Yes, Google's similar practices should also be prohibited. You ask as if it's obvious that someone would say no and show themselves to be a hypocrite, which is weird.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    OK cool, I was interested in whether or not you were being consistent. I don't find it weird at all, I've noticed that often people get really upset about FB or GOOG doing something, while ignoring the other, so hence my questions.
  - dntrkv 6y ago
    How do you define "algorithmic" filtering?
- claudeganon 6y ago
  Yes of course? Because Facebook employees are highly paid, I imagine. The reason why that whistleblower got so much coverage is that usually all it takes to keep some quiet is to pay them off.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    Like, there have been soooo many FB whistleblowers/leakers in the past four years, and yet shadow profiles (which would seem to be important to leak) have never had any backup here. I don't think that this is a coincidence, and I 100% disagree with the notion that this is because FB employees are well paid. I honestly think that it's because shadow profiles essentially don't exist in any meaningful form (there's probably some logs for non-FB users, but I don't think that they are aggregatable to a specific individual without an account, mostly because that would be super low value and really hard).

I don’t think you have to shut down Facebook. Just shut down targeted advertising, algorithmic filtering of content, and a lot of their surveillance practices (e.g. shadow profiles).

disgruntledphd2 6y ago

Should Google's targeted advertising also be prohibited? Should Google's algorithmic filtering of content also be prohibited? Should Doubleclick/Google's surveillance practices (which almost certainly include some kind of "shadow" profile) be prohibited? Also, people have been talking about shadow profiles for at least a decade now, and yet no disgruntled FB employee has revealed all. Why do you think that is?

kelnos 6y ago
Yes, Google's similar practices should also be prohibited. You ask as if it's obvious that someone would say no and show themselves to be a hypocrite, which is weird.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  OK cool, I was interested in whether or not you were being consistent. I don't find it weird at all, I've noticed that often people get really upset about FB or GOOG doing something, while ignoring the other, so hence my questions.
- dntrkv 6y ago
  How do you define "algorithmic" filtering?
claudeganon 6y ago
Yes of course? Because Facebook employees are highly paid, I imagine. The reason why that whistleblower got so much coverage is that usually all it takes to keep some quiet is to pay them off.
- disgruntledphd2 6y ago
  Like, there have been soooo many FB whistleblowers/leakers in the past four years, and yet shadow profiles (which would seem to be important to leak) have never had any backup here. I don't think that this is a coincidence, and I 100% disagree with the notion that this is because FB employees are well paid. I honestly think that it's because shadow profiles essentially don't exist in any meaningful form (there's probably some logs for non-FB users, but I don't think that they are aggregatable to a specific individual without an account, mostly because that would be super low value and really hard).