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He's been talking about this a lot - the (lack of) communication and debate in the science community. People interested in truth invite criticism: "Please give

He's been talking about this a lot - the (lack of) communication and debate in the science community. People interested in truth invite criticism: "Please give me contrary evidence! Show me I'm wrong!"

ineedasername 6y ago
"Show me I'm wrong" is not the starting point in the scientific method.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  It's something that's felt by scientists who've developed a hypothesis they want verified. Keen interest in explanations of data, etc.
- GavinB 6y ago
  It kind of is. Hypothesis rejection is the primary means of advancing knowledge. "We tried to prove this hypothesis wrong and could not" is the main thing you want a study to do. Having everyone try to prove your hypothesis wrong, and failing, is the main way that science advances.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    No, science proceeds on the basis of trying to prove a hypothesis is correct. As in, I hypothesize A should B, evidence XYZ supports this. You accomplish very little trying to prove a hypothesis wrong, because most are.
    - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
      While you are correct conceptually, most scientific research using statistics does in fact attempt to provide evidence against no-effect (the null hypothesis). The p-value of a scientific study is the probability that the given data would have been observed, given that there is no effect. Hence why small p-values can be associated with the success of the alternative hypothesis (i.e. what a scientist actually thinks will happen).
    - RobertoG 6y ago
      We should remember Popper (1). You can't prove an hypothesis is correct. All models are temporal until they are disprove. (1) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
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    - roelschroeven 6y ago
      I know some people who tap a can of Coke before they open it, because "that prevents it from spilling". Each time they do that, they are more convinced that their hypothesis is correct. But is it correct? To find out, we need to try to invalidate it. Try opening the can without tapping it first. If the Coke doesn't spill, the hypothesis is clearly wrong. It the Coke does spill now, it's quite strong evidence in favor of the hypothesis.
  - mav3rick 6y ago
    Lol no ! You prove a hypothesis to be correct.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    No, really, it is not. In your own example you're already jumping to testing a hypothesis. "Scientific method" isn't just a vague phrase, there literally is a specific method of steps to go through. The first step is Observation. Sometimes split out into Observation, then Research. Then comes the formulation of a hypothesis. After that is constructing a way to test the hypothesis. Not to prove it wrong, not to prove it right, but to test it. There's more after that, it's an iterative process and a single test of a hypothesis isn't always definitive, often it is not. But "Prove me wrong" is not the starting point.

ineedasername 6y ago

"Show me I'm wrong" is not the starting point in the scientific method.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
It's something that's felt by scientists who've developed a hypothesis they want verified. Keen interest in explanations of data, etc.
GavinB 6y ago
It kind of is. Hypothesis rejection is the primary means of advancing knowledge. "We tried to prove this hypothesis wrong and could not" is the main thing you want a study to do. Having everyone try to prove your hypothesis wrong, and failing, is the main way that science advances.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  No, science proceeds on the basis of trying to prove a hypothesis is correct. As in, I hypothesize A should B, evidence XYZ supports this. You accomplish very little trying to prove a hypothesis wrong, because most are.
  - disgruntledphd2 6y ago
    While you are correct conceptually, most scientific research using statistics does in fact attempt to provide evidence against no-effect (the null hypothesis). The p-value of a scientific study is the probability that the given data would have been observed, given that there is no effect. Hence why small p-values can be associated with the success of the alternative hypothesis (i.e. what a scientist actually thinks will happen).
  - RobertoG 6y ago
    We should remember Popper (1). You can't prove an hypothesis is correct. All models are temporal until they are disprove. (1) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
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  - roelschroeven 6y ago
    I know some people who tap a can of Coke before they open it, because "that prevents it from spilling". Each time they do that, they are more convinced that their hypothesis is correct. But is it correct? To find out, we need to try to invalidate it. Try opening the can without tapping it first. If the Coke doesn't spill, the hypothesis is clearly wrong. It the Coke does spill now, it's quite strong evidence in favor of the hypothesis.
- mav3rick 6y ago
  Lol no ! You prove a hypothesis to be correct.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  No, really, it is not. In your own example you're already jumping to testing a hypothesis. "Scientific method" isn't just a vague phrase, there literally is a specific method of steps to go through. The first step is Observation. Sometimes split out into Observation, then Research. Then comes the formulation of a hypothesis. After that is constructing a way to test the hypothesis. Not to prove it wrong, not to prove it right, but to test it. There's more after that, it's an iterative process and a single test of a hypothesis isn't always definitive, often it is not. But "Prove me wrong" is not the starting point.