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As someone that has invented novel algorithms I still feel Patents are a net negative especially for software. I just wish EU would be a better place for „star

As someone that has invented novel algorithms I still feel Patents are a net negative especially for software. I just wish EU would be a better place for „startup“ innovation. My experience with the university infrastructure in that area isn’t great:

ipnon 6y ago
Strong patent laws stop innovation at the research stage. Derivative works, such as turning research into a startup or a public company, becomes rent seeking. Where in the world can you escape this rent seeking?
- adammunich 6y ago
  China
  - ipnon 6y ago
    China's stereotype is having no copyright enforcement, but this seems to be wrong. >Plaintiffs won in 80.16% of all patent infringement cases included in the population. Such a win rate was higher than its counterparts in many major countries – Germany (approximately 66%) and the United States (approximately 60%), for example. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2018/02/things-infringement-litigation.html https://patentlyo.com/patent/2018/02/things-infringement-lit...
    - malandrew 6y ago
      Are there statistics based on national origin of defendant and plaintiff? I'm curious if 80.16% rate for all cases holds up when the defendant is a domestic company and the plaintiff is a foreign company and vice versa.
      - ipnon 6y ago
        Read the reference and see that the win rate is higher for foreign plaintiffs than Chinese plaintiffs.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  There's a lot of innovation going on by patent filing companies, which shows your claim to be false. Perhaps you intend to say it chills or hinders innovation - if so, do you have some statistical proof? My personal opinion, unrelated to my employment.
ArkVark 6y ago
The EU is not a great place for innovation, period. Here are the major problems: 1. No common language 2. Incredibly high taxes, particularly sales taxes 3. Unfinished transition out of Communism in many Eastern Countries 4. Preference for cheap illegal labor instead of automation This could be solved by: 1. Formalising an 'EU English' language so that schools teaching it can open up around the continent and families can move from one country to another without having to pay for extortionate international schools 2. Eliminate payroll taxes, limit sales taxes to a maximum of 10%. Deport all illegal immigrants (who are huge burdens on the State and society) and raise pension ages to 70 in order to save money. Limit bachelor degrees to the top 20% of the population and Master's degrees to the top 10%, to encourage people into the workforce earlier in life. Raise taxes on land and pollution. 3. Limit EU funding for countries like Bulgaria that have not transitioned to modern Democracy or Bureaucracy. 4. Withdraw from the UN convention on refugees, deport all illegal immigrants, pay and help North African countries to guard their own coastlines, and replace migrants with robots and automation. This will immensely boost the living standards of the average European, but hurt bureaucrats and old-money.
- Denvercoder9 6y ago
  This reads more like a (ultra-)right-wing party program than a substantiated plan to increase innovation.
  - flak48 6y ago
    Yep it reads like a xenophobic copypasta that can be used in any context just by changing the first line of the comment
  - ricohboy 6y ago
    >lower taxes >deport --illegal-- immigrants "ultra" right wing Low taxes and people valuing the rule of law is not "ultra right wing"
    - Denvercoder9 6y ago
      Repeated mentions of deporting illegal immigrants and withdrawing from the UN convention on refugees are typically only found in ultra-right-wing party programs in Europe.
jpzisme 6y ago
Why do you think this is (avoiding any anti-refugee sentiment in other comments on the thread)? I used to live in Europe and worked with many Europeans while living in the Bay Area. It seems like lots make the jump stateside. Having universal healthcare seems like it would be a big incentive to take entrepreneurial risk vs. our situation here in the U.S.
- Wohlf 6y ago
  Because that's only one aspect, you also have to consider other things like availability of investment capital, operating costs, and the bureaucracy of starting and running a business.
- redisman 6y ago
  It’s a bit too simple to say the EU doesn’t create software startups. Some countries/cities do generate plenty of successful startups and some don’t. Just like most US states haven’t produced any successful startups
  - jpzisme 6y ago
    That makes sense. Sweden and some of the other Nordic countries seem to crank a lot of them out. It is a bummer that a lot of startups, regardless of geography, feel the need to move once they hit a certain level. It produces brain drain and is a missed opportunity to bring economic growth to their home regions.

ipnon 6y ago

Strong patent laws stop innovation at the research stage. Derivative works, such as turning research into a startup or a public company, becomes rent seeking. Where in the world can you escape this rent seeking?

adammunich 6y ago
China
- ipnon 6y ago
  China's stereotype is having no copyright enforcement, but this seems to be wrong. >Plaintiffs won in 80.16% of all patent infringement cases included in the population. Such a win rate was higher than its counterparts in many major countries – Germany (approximately 66%) and the United States (approximately 60%), for example. https://patentlyo.com/patent/2018/02/things-infringement-litigation.html https://patentlyo.com/patent/2018/02/things-infringement-lit...
  - malandrew 6y ago
    Are there statistics based on national origin of defendant and plaintiff? I'm curious if 80.16% rate for all cases holds up when the defendant is a domestic company and the plaintiff is a foreign company and vice versa.
    - ipnon 6y ago
      Read the reference and see that the win rate is higher for foreign plaintiffs than Chinese plaintiffs.
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
There's a lot of innovation going on by patent filing companies, which shows your claim to be false. Perhaps you intend to say it chills or hinders innovation - if so, do you have some statistical proof? My personal opinion, unrelated to my employment.

ArkVark 6y ago

The EU is not a great place for innovation, period. Here are the major problems: 1. No common language 2. Incredibly high taxes, particularly sales taxes 3. Unfinished transition out of Communism in many Eastern Countries 4. Preference for cheap illegal labor instead of automation This could be solved by: 1. Formalising an 'EU English' language so that schools teaching it can open up around the continent and families can move from one country to another without having to pay for extortionate international schools 2. Eliminate payroll taxes, limit sales taxes to a maximum of 10%. Deport all illegal immigrants (who are huge burdens on the State and society) and raise pension ages to 70 in order to save money. Limit bachelor degrees to the top 20% of the population and Master's degrees to the top 10%, to encourage people into the workforce earlier in life. Raise taxes on land and pollution. 3. Limit EU funding for countries like Bulgaria that have not transitioned to modern Democracy or Bureaucracy. 4. Withdraw from the UN convention on refugees, deport all illegal immigrants, pay and help North African countries to guard their own coastlines, and replace migrants with robots and automation. This will immensely boost the living standards of the average European, but hurt bureaucrats and old-money.

Denvercoder9 6y ago
This reads more like a (ultra-)right-wing party program than a substantiated plan to increase innovation.
- flak48 6y ago
  Yep it reads like a xenophobic copypasta that can be used in any context just by changing the first line of the comment
- ricohboy 6y ago
  >lower taxes >deport --illegal-- immigrants "ultra" right wing Low taxes and people valuing the rule of law is not "ultra right wing"
  - Denvercoder9 6y ago
    Repeated mentions of deporting illegal immigrants and withdrawing from the UN convention on refugees are typically only found in ultra-right-wing party programs in Europe.

jpzisme 6y ago

Why do you think this is (avoiding any anti-refugee sentiment in other comments on the thread)? I used to live in Europe and worked with many Europeans while living in the Bay Area. It seems like lots make the jump stateside. Having universal healthcare seems like it would be a big incentive to take entrepreneurial risk vs. our situation here in the U.S.

Wohlf 6y ago
Because that's only one aspect, you also have to consider other things like availability of investment capital, operating costs, and the bureaucracy of starting and running a business.
redisman 6y ago
It’s a bit too simple to say the EU doesn’t create software startups. Some countries/cities do generate plenty of successful startups and some don’t. Just like most US states haven’t produced any successful startups
- jpzisme 6y ago
  That makes sense. Sweden and some of the other Nordic countries seem to crank a lot of them out. It is a bummer that a lot of startups, regardless of geography, feel the need to move once they hit a certain level. It produces brain drain and is a missed opportunity to bring economic growth to their home regions.