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Genuine question - if this was the perfect AR/VR device, would you use it even though it is a FB product? I have real concerns about privacy and the need to log
by Monitor2019 6y ago
Genuine question - if this was the perfect AR/VR device, would you use it even though it is a FB product? I have real concerns about privacy and the need to log in with FB credentials, but I am also very hopeful for devices that can continue to grow the market and help take it mainstream.
- cyrux004 6y agocreate a new facebook account just for this and dont use it ever ?
- numpad0 6y agoIf you make a Facebook account and tie it to VR goggles, you’re not “not using it ever” but polar opposite of it...
- oefnak 6y agoThey would definitely connect the dots. Same home WiFi, for starters.
- cyrux004 6y agonow that would be an interesting experiment to see how and if they figure that out
- slipheen 6y agoThis also involves agreeing to the Facebook ToS.
- mortenjorck 6y agoOne of two things happens. A) An algorithm flags your newly-created account as "inauthentic" and now you have to submit a copy of your driver's license to Facebook just to use a piece of consumer electronics you bought. B) A different algorithm puts the pieces together and deduces that your burner account is the same identity as the real Facebook account you stopped using years ago or perhaps even "deleted." Nothing escapes the big-data inferences of The Graph.
- t0mbstone 6y agoI don't know... Facebook hasn't detected a single one of my 6 fake facebook accounts, and I've had them for years. I have been using one of them with my Quest ever since I got it, and they still haven't caught on. Maybe I'm slipping through their net because my accounts are old?
- GekkePrutser 6y agoYes you are. They scrutinise new accounts much more now.
- zmmmmm 6y agoThe problem with this, is that all your purchases in the Oculus store become tied to that account. So then if you build up a library worth perhaps hundreds or even thousands of dollars (as I already have), you are running the risk of losing it all if at any point in time Facebook flags your account. The only narrow path to mitigating this is if you buy everything through SteamVR but that really hugely limits your options, and it's not at all clear to me it would not also run into problems as Facebook could easily associate your Steam account to your fake facebook account.
- te_chris 6y agoAbsolutely not
- mike_d 6y agoI would purchase this in a second if it was from any other company. I refuse to financially support a company that is doing so much to hurt democracy worldwide.
- stanlarroque 6y agoWe are building exactly this : https://lynx-r.com https://lynx-r.com
- oefnak 6y agoLooks very interesting. But that's a lot of money, so you need to make sure people can try it out somewhere.
- the_hoser 6y agoNo, you aren't. You're building a business-focused product that might share some similarity to the Quest 2. The hardware isn't what makes the Oculus a compelling consumer product.
- KarimDaghari 6y agoGenuine question: What makes the Oculus a compelling consumer product?
- frakkingcylons 6y agoAccessible price, no gaming PC needed, no external hardware setup required for tracking.
- xyzzyz 6y agoAvailability of fun games you can play, no need for external PC, no complex environment setup, and the sticker price of $300 vs. $1500.
- ccktlmazeltov 6y agoIt's the most developed VR experience out there?
- dorkinspace 6y agoPersonally, price doesn't matter, I would not use a FB device.
- slim 6y agothis will grow and capture the market. so it's an unuseful growth. you will actually have less options in the future if you buy it
- Sohcahtoa82 6y agoNot as long as Valve still wants to be a player in the VR device space. The Index has had an 8+ week wait to receive one for several months now because they keep selling out, despite the $1,000 price tag for the full kit.
- Fordec 6y agoIf Facebook is going to be the market, and I believe it will be judging by what's out there right now, VR on the whole as a market is dead to me. Since the facebook linking account news I've removed all VR news blogs from my RSS feed. I don't need to know about what's happening in the industry anymore. If the only way to avoid Facebook is to not play, I'm not playing. It's just that simple.
- Kiro 6y agoYes, the Quest 1 was such a game-changer for me that I would sell my soul to get the next generation. Really hoping other companies will step up their game though.
- reader_mode 6y agoWhat's the privacy concern here ? Facebook knows what I do in VR ? I don't necessarily want that but TBH I don't really care about it either - I don't plan on using it for anything compromising anyway and I'm bombarded by advertisement spam everywhere to the point of immunity.
- mhh__ 6y agoVR currently has a innocence to it. I'm sure we'll see adverts like usual at some point
- numpad0 6y agoThey’ll have control of your vision, literally.
- reader_mode 6y agoI mean this is a toy you put on for leasure (a tool at best but at that point you'll probably invest more money and not use a FB product) if it's not a satisfactory experience I stop using it
- wizzwizz4 6y agoIf they've got eye tracking, they know basically how your visual cortex behaves – and hence how to put stuff where you look at it. That'll get infuriating very quickly. They'll also know what gets your attention, what doesn't… unless you can control your saccades, that'll leak a lot of information about your mind-state while viewing Facebook-controlled media. They could, if they wanted to, blackbox reverse-engineer bits of you via controlled-input attacks. VR headsets are basically the most creepy thing they could be tracking my behaviour with – perhaps second to the smartphone, since at least I can take off the VR headset.
- reader_mode 6y ago>That'll get infuriating very quickly. And as soon it does I stop using it. As for reverse engineering my preferences I'm not sure I care honestly - if it means ads I get are more relevant it might even be a good thing. I don't know I just don't feel there's a lot of value in profiling me specifically and it probably only helps them in aggregate anyway. I'm not against dats privacy, but if it gets me superior hardware at a better price point I don't see the downside. I'm much more bothered by wall garden platform like Apple imposing Apple tax and will slowly roll off Apple devices.
- ccktlmazeltov 6y agoAbsolutely yes, which is why I have one. I genuinely don't see the issue.
- jackhack 6y agoI know I wouldn't. I have stayed off FB -- active avoidance -- for a reason. Now that they have taken over the Oculus (I was an early Rift developer, and have the production Rift now) my journey with them is complete. I don't trust Facebook and at this point I simply cannot imagine any possible action they could take to restore that trust. It's a real disappointment. I admire the product and appreciate the contributions of the engineering team to advancing the state-of-the-art.
- moron4hire 6y agoWell, I have a legacy Oculus account, and the Quest 2 will be obsolete before the grandfathering time has expired, so I am going to get the Quest 2. Hopefully a reasonable competitor will be available by then. EDIT: never mind. I won't be getting the Quest 2.
- slipheen 6y agoFor what it's worth, I don't think the grandfathering applies. "All future unreleased Oculus devices will require a Facebook account, even if you already have an Oculus account." https://www.oculus.com/blog/a-single-way-to-log-into-oculus-and-unlock-social-features/?locale=en_US https://www.oculus.com/blog/a-single-way-to-log-into-oculus-...
- moron4hire 6y agoshit...
- meheleventyone 6y agoI bought the original Quest and will stop using it when the Facebook account becomes mandatory. Hopefully there is a suitable replacement from a less odious company at that time. I absolutely will not get a Quest 2 despite being very impressed by both the hardware update and price.
- echlebek 6y agoNo. I will never willingly use facebook or facebook products.
- renewiltord 6y agoYep, pre-ordered it and I bought my parents a Quest and I have a Quest at home too.
- time0ut 6y agoI wouldn't use it even if it was free. I don't want the market to grow in the direction FB is trying to take it. I don't want to subsidize it with my privacy.
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- klmadfejno 6y agoI'd buy one for myself and for my family as gifts if it weren't an FB product. Disappointing really. I hope Valve can produce a competitor. Index is doing just fine but the target markets are different.