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I will apologize for the snark, It's monday and I've been in the lab and away from my coffee. I agree with you on principle, humans are apex predators, we are r

I will apologize for the snark, It's monday and I've been in the lab and away from my coffee. I agree with you on principle, humans are apex predators, we are remarkable efficient at fast procreation and finding ingenious ways to outpace every animal/shrub/bush we don't directly exploit. That being said, I find this a difficult conversation to have online, because "responsible restriction of childbirth" isn't something anyone short of dangerously dictorial, can fathom to hope to achieve. It's a non starter, therefore we have to approach the problem from a end that's not so...thorny.. It's easy to say, "let's just thanos this and get it done" reset at another few thousand years..but the hard question is who gets snapped?

jelliclesfarm 6y ago
Ok. I never said ‘responsible restriction of childbirth’. I said ‘incentivise responsible procreation’. I don’t know if you twisted my words on purpose or you really don’t see the difference? Why is it genocide to offer incentives for a greater quality of life for their thoughtful and mindful roadmap to nurture their progeny and to protect the commons from over exploitation. We should be rewarding responsible procreation and parenting. Human beings like ‘to do the right thing’. We are rationalizing animals rather than rational animals. Supporting and incentivizing irresponsible procreation economically and empathetically simply gives people reasons to mindlessly offer themselves rationalizations to continue making wrong and harmful personal decisions. Giving people incentives and support to provide the greatest chances of their gene pool to thrive along with the rest of the human species is a rational solution to the depopulation event that is a mathematical surety to occur within a century. Having said that, maybe it’s also time to have discussions about ‘thorny’ subjects. The lack of open discourse is why even reasonable suggestions are downvoted here. Because there is nothing to compare common sense with..
- scollet 6y ago
  The problem is, regardless of the incentives, they will be manipulated to target "undesirable" groups. It's fine to tow this line of thinking, but give it 100 years or so to implement.
  - jelliclesfarm 6y ago
    I don’t have answers but I have some suggestions: 1. Remove food insecurity. The job of the govt is to provide basic calories to ALL. In the form of credits. (Like in Switzerland) 2. The subsidized calories will come only from farms that have to follow ecological practices. 3. Housing: everyone gets to live in state housing for diff income levels. On 99 year lease at market rate. This gives generational housing security. And protects housing from speculative shocks.(like in Singapore) 4. Universal health care. What is provided is a basic quality of life to everyone. Just as everyone deserves a basic quality of life guaranteed hybyeh govt, everyone has to display responsibility. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Downgrades to quality of life if too much is siphoned off from the commons is a reasonable and fair bargain.
- Glavnokoman 6y ago
  Is anything actually being publicly done with that regard? Any organizations, foundations, etc?
rorykoehler 6y ago
I think they are referring to systems incentivise child birth. More carrot less stick.

jelliclesfarm 6y ago

Ok. I never said ‘responsible restriction of childbirth’. I said ‘incentivise responsible procreation’. I don’t know if you twisted my words on purpose or you really don’t see the difference? Why is it genocide to offer incentives for a greater quality of life for their thoughtful and mindful roadmap to nurture their progeny and to protect the commons from over exploitation. We should be rewarding responsible procreation and parenting. Human beings like ‘to do the right thing’. We are rationalizing animals rather than rational animals. Supporting and incentivizing irresponsible procreation economically and empathetically simply gives people reasons to mindlessly offer themselves rationalizations to continue making wrong and harmful personal decisions. Giving people incentives and support to provide the greatest chances of their gene pool to thrive along with the rest of the human species is a rational solution to the depopulation event that is a mathematical surety to occur within a century. Having said that, maybe it’s also time to have discussions about ‘thorny’ subjects. The lack of open discourse is why even reasonable suggestions are downvoted here. Because there is nothing to compare common sense with..

scollet 6y ago
The problem is, regardless of the incentives, they will be manipulated to target "undesirable" groups. It's fine to tow this line of thinking, but give it 100 years or so to implement.
- jelliclesfarm 6y ago
  I don’t have answers but I have some suggestions: 1. Remove food insecurity. The job of the govt is to provide basic calories to ALL. In the form of credits. (Like in Switzerland) 2. The subsidized calories will come only from farms that have to follow ecological practices. 3. Housing: everyone gets to live in state housing for diff income levels. On 99 year lease at market rate. This gives generational housing security. And protects housing from speculative shocks.(like in Singapore) 4. Universal health care. What is provided is a basic quality of life to everyone. Just as everyone deserves a basic quality of life guaranteed hybyeh govt, everyone has to display responsibility. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Downgrades to quality of life if too much is siphoned off from the commons is a reasonable and fair bargain.
Glavnokoman 6y ago
Is anything actually being publicly done with that regard? Any organizations, foundations, etc?

rorykoehler 6y ago

I think they are referring to systems incentivise child birth. More carrot less stick.