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For me its: - Support for "browser" apis like fetch and ES modules. - Security - No NPM necessary, just import code like a browser would - No political agen

For me its: - Support for "browser" apis like fetch and ES modules. - Security - No NPM necessary, just import code like a browser would - No political agenda is being pushed, they simply focus on the tech The only thing I really miss from node is the cluster api.

iknowstuff 6y ago
What political agendas have you had a problem with in other projects?
- Ayesh 6y ago
  I suppose the elephant in the room is Ryan and npm inc.
- ecmascript 6y ago
  The node.js has a big blm banner for example and claims that white surpremacy and police brutality is global issues when it's really just very US-based. I just don't see how that has anything to do with javascript development.
  - true_religion 6y ago
    It takes different forms. In the US, the it was slavery, segregation and today police brutality and ideological oppression. Yet the US, isn't alone in this. It never has been. For example, although the famous poem Whiteman Burden was about the American-Phillipine war, it was written by a British poet based on his view of British Imperialism. That legacy of colonialism lives on today throughout everywhere in the English speaking world. As for the French, the less said about how they exploit the CFA zone countries, the better. The Russians? Currently the leaders of European racism. This isn't simply a topic isolated to a parochial country, far far away from the ideologically pure Old World. What occurs in the US was merely a Flashpoint.
    - ecmascript 6y ago
      Ok tell me how white supremacy and police brutality is a problem in let's say... Japan? A country with basically no white population or violence of any kind. Americans may be shocked to find out that whites are actually a very underrepresented group in global terms and there are a lot of countries where white people are in such a minority that basically all of them are immigrants. They explicitly state that these issues are global and thus must be an issue in every country. Sure you can pick a few countries where there are big issues, since there is a lot of them. But there are also a lot of countries where it isn't a big issue. These countries, like Japan, may have other issues but not explicitly those stated. This is definitive proof that they are pushing a specific, american political agenda where you paint with big brushes over the entire world. It's also objectively and demonstratively false. My country for example, Sweden, rather have the opposite issue of police brutality, the police basically use too little force and this creates a bunch of issues where criminality reign rampant.
      - true_religion 6y ago
        To show that something is a global issue, I merely have to display instances world-wide, not in every single country (that's the difference between global/ubiquitous and 'universal'). Having the issue in Africa, North and South America, Europe, and Australia is enough to satisfy that. I'll have to defer to others experiences in Asia, as keeping up with 4 continents is enough for me ;) Additionally, this ideology expresses itself in different ways per country. The issue of white supremacy in for instance Togo, is not that there are white police officers and segregated drinking fountains. It's that the French forcibly colonized the area, then set up an exploitative trade zone after WW2, and continues to prop up brutal dictatorships merely because the leaders are willing to cede economic control to France. It's that the French are forcing their language & culture on a country as part of a 'trade' agreement (to the point where the government must buy French textbooks), but there isn't any reverse requirement of cultural exchange. White supremacy is a global issue. Yet all global issues won't affect every country equally. Climate change may have global effects, but as the Fins famously said 'we live in the mountains, we will be the last to drown!'.
- LukaD 6y ago
  When people say they don't want tech companies/organisations to be political they're actually bummed out that those political views don't align with they're own.
  - hanifc 6y ago
    Could it be possible that there are people out there who aren't all that opinionated on the matter and just would rather not see the views?
fooey 6y ago
having an agenda of "no political agenda" is in fact an agenda
- LukaD 6y ago
  I would even say it's a political one.
- ecmascript 6y ago
  Yeah in the same way not smoking is a habit

iknowstuff 6y ago

What political agendas have you had a problem with in other projects?

Ayesh 6y ago
I suppose the elephant in the room is Ryan and npm inc.
ecmascript 6y ago
The node.js has a big blm banner for example and claims that white surpremacy and police brutality is global issues when it's really just very US-based. I just don't see how that has anything to do with javascript development.
- true_religion 6y ago
  It takes different forms. In the US, the it was slavery, segregation and today police brutality and ideological oppression. Yet the US, isn't alone in this. It never has been. For example, although the famous poem Whiteman Burden was about the American-Phillipine war, it was written by a British poet based on his view of British Imperialism. That legacy of colonialism lives on today throughout everywhere in the English speaking world. As for the French, the less said about how they exploit the CFA zone countries, the better. The Russians? Currently the leaders of European racism. This isn't simply a topic isolated to a parochial country, far far away from the ideologically pure Old World. What occurs in the US was merely a Flashpoint.
  - ecmascript 6y ago
    Ok tell me how white supremacy and police brutality is a problem in let's say... Japan? A country with basically no white population or violence of any kind. Americans may be shocked to find out that whites are actually a very underrepresented group in global terms and there are a lot of countries where white people are in such a minority that basically all of them are immigrants. They explicitly state that these issues are global and thus must be an issue in every country. Sure you can pick a few countries where there are big issues, since there is a lot of them. But there are also a lot of countries where it isn't a big issue. These countries, like Japan, may have other issues but not explicitly those stated. This is definitive proof that they are pushing a specific, american political agenda where you paint with big brushes over the entire world. It's also objectively and demonstratively false. My country for example, Sweden, rather have the opposite issue of police brutality, the police basically use too little force and this creates a bunch of issues where criminality reign rampant.
    - true_religion 6y ago
      To show that something is a global issue, I merely have to display instances world-wide, not in every single country (that's the difference between global/ubiquitous and 'universal'). Having the issue in Africa, North and South America, Europe, and Australia is enough to satisfy that. I'll have to defer to others experiences in Asia, as keeping up with 4 continents is enough for me ;) Additionally, this ideology expresses itself in different ways per country. The issue of white supremacy in for instance Togo, is not that there are white police officers and segregated drinking fountains. It's that the French forcibly colonized the area, then set up an exploitative trade zone after WW2, and continues to prop up brutal dictatorships merely because the leaders are willing to cede economic control to France. It's that the French are forcing their language & culture on a country as part of a 'trade' agreement (to the point where the government must buy French textbooks), but there isn't any reverse requirement of cultural exchange. White supremacy is a global issue. Yet all global issues won't affect every country equally. Climate change may have global effects, but as the Fins famously said 'we live in the mountains, we will be the last to drown!'.
LukaD 6y ago
When people say they don't want tech companies/organisations to be political they're actually bummed out that those political views don't align with they're own.
- hanifc 6y ago
  Could it be possible that there are people out there who aren't all that opinionated on the matter and just would rather not see the views?

fooey 6y ago

having an agenda of "no political agenda" is in fact an agenda

LukaD 6y ago
I would even say it's a political one.
ecmascript 6y ago
Yeah in the same way not smoking is a habit