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> Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. But somehow China a country with even more Xenophobia and nationalism is catching up to us. And the U.S. used to

> Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. But somehow China a country with even more Xenophobia and nationalism is catching up to us. And the U.S. used to have more Xenophobia and nationalism in the past and was also substantially more innovative. Maybe the real problem is that the U.S. (all the way up to the top) has become anti-intellectual. We have completely dumbed down our culture so that children today want to be basketball players instead of astronauts. Our schools and government explicitly oppose meritocracy. There is just too much money in junk media and junk education that its never going to be fixed and instead we have to bring in more immigrants.

nine_zeros 6y ago
But Chinese xenophobia is not American style. Sure they lack immigration but so many Chinese travel outside for education and business that they are in fact hyper aware of cultural differences and are upskilling themselves en masse in dealing with various cultures. They bring that skill back home to build companies and sub cultures that ape the best of other countries. This is very unlike US style xenophobia where Murica number 1 and anything about foreigners sucks.
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- rjkennedy98 6y ago
  China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. So to say that China is less Xenophobic seems crazy to me. If China had the same immigration levels that America did, I'm 100% sure you'd see the same backlash you see in America (and likely much worse). In fact China is putting their muslim population in camps as we speak. It's easy to pooh-pooh on the racist rednecks - it's a lot harder to actually open your borders.
  - nine_zeros 6y ago
    > China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. Xenophobia has gradients and degrees: What I am talking about: The number one reason why the US was able to be so dominant technologically for such a long time was because of multiculturalism and innovation/frontier/development mindset, regardless of a human's background or origin. That attracted the best foreign minds (including best Chinese minds) out of China and they became US citizens and their children probably do AI at 3-letter institutions for us. We put the barrier on smart people coming in. They went to the next best place, in China's case, that is China. They are innovating there and their kids are working in 3-letter companies in China. This is freaking the crap out of USA and it shows with so much news about China bothering so many people. But we are to fault ourselves. Out of xenophobia, not only did we stop encouraging smart people from coming to the US and building businesses or innovation here, we also ourselves don't go out to other countries too much because "we numbah 1". What you are talking about: Problems with multicultural society. You hold a very narrow view of multicultural societies. America has NEVER been monocultural in its history. It was always anglos vs dutch or protestants vs catholics or Irish hate or Italian hate or Polish hate and of course slavery and xenophobia. America was a great success until recently, fighting through past civil wars and hard earned unity, until recently where the leaders abandoned our strengths for political gains (and I'm going to call out Republicans here for racism). China, India and EU are large successes in multicultural societies themselves. People in China might look the same to the western eye but they are all different peoples, from different tribes and different cultures. China has been working to UNITE its peoples, America has been working to DIVIDE its peoples. And I say this as a patriot who hates PRC. A united America will always be better than mono-China. But China unifying its peoples to interact with the world. And America wants to go back to civil wars era. These two forces together will ensure Murica numbah one is pretty much dead. An open America will crush the xenophobic China that you refer to. But a xenophobic America has more to lose.
    - rjkennedy98 6y ago
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I would respectfully suggest that you're letting your opinions on American politics color your perspective here, because "my country number 1 and foreigners suck" is a pretty universal style of xenophobia. I don't know enough about Chinese culture specifically to say for sure, but I'd be very surprised if they don't have nationalists in that vein, since every country I'm familiar with does.
- IdiocyInAction 6y ago
  China is an ethnostate that is actively committing a genocide. If that is not xenophobic I don't know what is.
  - xster 6y ago
    And Iraq is taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators and Libya was... what again? Considering the Uyghur population doubled in the last 50 years and China has 20 times more mosques than the US, China isn't very good at geocoding.

nine_zeros 6y ago

But Chinese xenophobia is not American style. Sure they lack immigration but so many Chinese travel outside for education and business that they are in fact hyper aware of cultural differences and are upskilling themselves en masse in dealing with various cultures. They bring that skill back home to build companies and sub cultures that ape the best of other countries. This is very unlike US style xenophobia where Murica number 1 and anything about foreigners sucks.

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rjkennedy98 6y ago
China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. So to say that China is less Xenophobic seems crazy to me. If China had the same immigration levels that America did, I'm 100% sure you'd see the same backlash you see in America (and likely much worse). In fact China is putting their muslim population in camps as we speak. It's easy to pooh-pooh on the racist rednecks - it's a lot harder to actually open your borders.
- nine_zeros 6y ago
  > China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. Xenophobia has gradients and degrees: What I am talking about: The number one reason why the US was able to be so dominant technologically for such a long time was because of multiculturalism and innovation/frontier/development mindset, regardless of a human's background or origin. That attracted the best foreign minds (including best Chinese minds) out of China and they became US citizens and their children probably do AI at 3-letter institutions for us. We put the barrier on smart people coming in. They went to the next best place, in China's case, that is China. They are innovating there and their kids are working in 3-letter companies in China. This is freaking the crap out of USA and it shows with so much news about China bothering so many people. But we are to fault ourselves. Out of xenophobia, not only did we stop encouraging smart people from coming to the US and building businesses or innovation here, we also ourselves don't go out to other countries too much because "we numbah 1". What you are talking about: Problems with multicultural society. You hold a very narrow view of multicultural societies. America has NEVER been monocultural in its history. It was always anglos vs dutch or protestants vs catholics or Irish hate or Italian hate or Polish hate and of course slavery and xenophobia. America was a great success until recently, fighting through past civil wars and hard earned unity, until recently where the leaders abandoned our strengths for political gains (and I'm going to call out Republicans here for racism). China, India and EU are large successes in multicultural societies themselves. People in China might look the same to the western eye but they are all different peoples, from different tribes and different cultures. China has been working to UNITE its peoples, America has been working to DIVIDE its peoples. And I say this as a patriot who hates PRC. A united America will always be better than mono-China. But China unifying its peoples to interact with the world. And America wants to go back to civil wars era. These two forces together will ensure Murica numbah one is pretty much dead. An open America will crush the xenophobic China that you refer to. But a xenophobic America has more to lose.
  - rjkennedy98 6y ago
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I would respectfully suggest that you're letting your opinions on American politics color your perspective here, because "my country number 1 and foreigners suck" is a pretty universal style of xenophobia. I don't know enough about Chinese culture specifically to say for sure, but I'd be very surprised if they don't have nationalists in that vein, since every country I'm familiar with does.
IdiocyInAction 6y ago
China is an ethnostate that is actively committing a genocide. If that is not xenophobic I don't know what is.
- xster 6y ago
  And Iraq is taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators and Libya was... what again? Considering the Uyghur population doubled in the last 50 years and China has 20 times more mosques than the US, China isn't very good at geocoding.