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> Why would I pay an uneducated, inexperienced person to sweep floors $20 per hour? I’ll do it myself first. Because you don't want to do it or you don't have

> Why would I pay an uneducated, inexperienced person to sweep floors $20 per hour? I’ll do it myself first. Because you don't want to do it or you don't have the time. If I could pay someone 1 cent per hour to wipe my ass crack I would do it, is it a problem that I must instead wipe my own ass crack? The answer is literally there in your post, these jobs aren't worth having. Imagine posting this yelling "think of the people who will no longer be able to wipe others' ass cracks!". Ok....

ColanR 6y ago
> these jobs aren't worth having Are you making that decision for yourself, or for others? Offer the job, and see if there's takers. If there aren't, then you'll actually know that the job isn't worth having.
- RandoHolmes 6y ago
  I guess slavery is worth having since someone, somewhere, "chose" to do it... Wait, what's that!?!? Are you saying it's acceptable for society to make decisions for those who don't have the leverage to protect themselves?!?! WHAT?!?!? Say it aint so Mr Magoo, say it aint so... Cause I hurd if you ever make a decision for another human being you're immoral, making all parents immoral. That's just how this shit wurks my brutha!
  - ColanR 6y ago
    > I guess slavery is worth having since someone, somewhere, "chose" to do it... Are you suggesting that "someone, somewhere" chose to do something that intentionally made them worse off than they were before?
    - RandoHolmes 6y ago
      I'd like to buy "what is stockholm's syndrome for 500 alex!". https://www.britannica.com/science/Stockholm-syndrome https://www.britannica.com/science/Stockholm-syndrome The better question. Are you implying this doesn't exist and therefore the woman in question is guilty? I mean, not that this has anything to do with the overarching point, but.... you're so wrong that you're wrong even when you're wrong. enter: BUT I'M GOING TO DEFINE FREEWILL SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE STOCKHOLME SYNDROME... yeah ok.... That certainly makes you ... biased.
      - ColanR 6y ago
        You seem incoherent. Apparently you're implying I have stockholm syndrome, which is at best an ad homenim. Then you mention some woman I've never heard of, and conclude by asserting that I'm super duper wrong...which isn't particularly informative, useful or even appropriate in a discussion. To top it off, your grammar is atrocious. EDIT: I'll ask my question again, with better wording, just for good measure. Are you suggesting that when people look for work, they accept jobs that leave them worse off than they were before?
        dang 6y ago
        "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
seanmcdirmid 6y ago
$20/hour is great if that’s a flat contracting rate. If I have to hire them on at full time, pay payroll taxes, give them health insurance, etc...it might make more sense to just do the sweeping myself.
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24457908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24457908.

ColanR 6y ago

> these jobs aren't worth having Are you making that decision for yourself, or for others? Offer the job, and see if there's takers. If there aren't, then you'll actually know that the job isn't worth having.

RandoHolmes 6y ago
I guess slavery is worth having since someone, somewhere, "chose" to do it... Wait, what's that!?!? Are you saying it's acceptable for society to make decisions for those who don't have the leverage to protect themselves?!?! WHAT?!?!? Say it aint so Mr Magoo, say it aint so... Cause I hurd if you ever make a decision for another human being you're immoral, making all parents immoral. That's just how this shit wurks my brutha!
- ColanR 6y ago
  > I guess slavery is worth having since someone, somewhere, "chose" to do it... Are you suggesting that "someone, somewhere" chose to do something that intentionally made them worse off than they were before?
  - RandoHolmes 6y ago
    I'd like to buy "what is stockholm's syndrome for 500 alex!". https://www.britannica.com/science/Stockholm-syndrome https://www.britannica.com/science/Stockholm-syndrome The better question. Are you implying this doesn't exist and therefore the woman in question is guilty? I mean, not that this has anything to do with the overarching point, but.... you're so wrong that you're wrong even when you're wrong. enter: BUT I'M GOING TO DEFINE FREEWILL SO IT DOESN'T INCLUDE STOCKHOLME SYNDROME... yeah ok.... That certainly makes you ... biased.
    - ColanR 6y ago
      You seem incoherent. Apparently you're implying I have stockholm syndrome, which is at best an ad homenim. Then you mention some woman I've never heard of, and conclude by asserting that I'm super duper wrong...which isn't particularly informative, useful or even appropriate in a discussion. To top it off, your grammar is atrocious. EDIT: I'll ask my question again, with better wording, just for good measure. Are you suggesting that when people look for work, they accept jobs that leave them worse off than they were before?
      - dang 6y ago
        "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

seanmcdirmid 6y ago

$20/hour is great if that’s a flat contracting rate. If I have to hire them on at full time, pay payroll taxes, give them health insurance, etc...it might make more sense to just do the sweeping myself.

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24457908 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24457908.