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Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. We used to import the smartest most capable people from all across the world to develop and market their inventions

Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. We used to import the smartest most capable people from all across the world to develop and market their inventions and ideas and maybe even become rich in the process. Now, not so much.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago
It’s like you asked yourself “how can I change the subject and make this post about how much I personally hate Donald Trump”. You redditors are absolute trash. You need to go back.
fastball 6y ago
Eh, I'm actually not sure it's that simple. Something tells me the modern left (which generally isn't seen as xenophobic or nationalistic) would not take very kindly to the importation of Nazi rocket scientists in [current year].
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  The number of Nazi rocket scientests is also truly negligible in 2020 unlike the 1940s.
  - fastball 6y ago
    You've definitely missed my point.
EmilioMartinez 6y ago
The process you describe nostalgically is called braindrain on the third world, and if it's wavering it's due to changing economic and geopolitical landscapes. The process itself created an outflow of scientific and technological knowledge, which paired with industrial outsourcing strenghtened even America's geopolitical rivals. Actual xenophobic and nationalistic attitudes might have protected American hegemony, but you can't put that genie back in the bottle.
- sjg007 6y ago
  It’s wavering in the us because Trump wants to get re-elected and immigrants are an easy target because they can’t vote! Otherwise I don’t think he cares. He married an immigrant! He could’ve picked a nice American woman..
li4ick 6y ago
>xenophobia I know at least 3 genius-level people from Europe that refuse to go to the US, because they are white, and every single moment they see these "whitey are racist by just being white" they simply descend even more into their beliefs. Also, their humour would get them fired within a minute in the USA.
rjkennedy98 6y ago
> Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. But somehow China a country with even more Xenophobia and nationalism is catching up to us. And the U.S. used to have more Xenophobia and nationalism in the past and was also substantially more innovative. Maybe the real problem is that the U.S. (all the way up to the top) has become anti-intellectual. We have completely dumbed down our culture so that children today want to be basketball players instead of astronauts. Our schools and government explicitly oppose meritocracy. There is just too much money in junk media and junk education that its never going to be fixed and instead we have to bring in more immigrants.
- nine_zeros 6y ago
  But Chinese xenophobia is not American style. Sure they lack immigration but so many Chinese travel outside for education and business that they are in fact hyper aware of cultural differences and are upskilling themselves en masse in dealing with various cultures. They bring that skill back home to build companies and sub cultures that ape the best of other countries. This is very unlike US style xenophobia where Murica number 1 and anything about foreigners sucks.
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  - rjkennedy98 6y ago
    China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. So to say that China is less Xenophobic seems crazy to me. If China had the same immigration levels that America did, I'm 100% sure you'd see the same backlash you see in America (and likely much worse). In fact China is putting their muslim population in camps as we speak. It's easy to pooh-pooh on the racist rednecks - it's a lot harder to actually open your borders.
    - nine_zeros 6y ago
gigatexal 6y ago
Who knew this comment would bring out all the closet racists of HN. I have learned much from the sane comments though.

FriendlyNormie 6y ago

It’s like you asked yourself “how can I change the subject and make this post about how much I personally hate Donald Trump”. You redditors are absolute trash. You need to go back.

fastball 6y ago

Eh, I'm actually not sure it's that simple. Something tells me the modern left (which generally isn't seen as xenophobic or nationalistic) would not take very kindly to the importation of Nazi rocket scientists in [current year].

Nasrudith 6y ago
The number of Nazi rocket scientests is also truly negligible in 2020 unlike the 1940s.
- fastball 6y ago
  You've definitely missed my point.

EmilioMartinez 6y ago

The process you describe nostalgically is called braindrain on the third world, and if it's wavering it's due to changing economic and geopolitical landscapes. The process itself created an outflow of scientific and technological knowledge, which paired with industrial outsourcing strenghtened even America's geopolitical rivals. Actual xenophobic and nationalistic attitudes might have protected American hegemony, but you can't put that genie back in the bottle.

sjg007 6y ago
It’s wavering in the us because Trump wants to get re-elected and immigrants are an easy target because they can’t vote! Otherwise I don’t think he cares. He married an immigrant! He could’ve picked a nice American woman..

li4ick 6y ago

>xenophobia I know at least 3 genius-level people from Europe that refuse to go to the US, because they are white, and every single moment they see these "whitey are racist by just being white" they simply descend even more into their beliefs. Also, their humour would get them fired within a minute in the USA.

rjkennedy98 6y ago

> Xenophobia and nationalism sure don't help. But somehow China a country with even more Xenophobia and nationalism is catching up to us. And the U.S. used to have more Xenophobia and nationalism in the past and was also substantially more innovative. Maybe the real problem is that the U.S. (all the way up to the top) has become anti-intellectual. We have completely dumbed down our culture so that children today want to be basketball players instead of astronauts. Our schools and government explicitly oppose meritocracy. There is just too much money in junk media and junk education that its never going to be fixed and instead we have to bring in more immigrants.

nine_zeros 6y ago
But Chinese xenophobia is not American style. Sure they lack immigration but so many Chinese travel outside for education and business that they are in fact hyper aware of cultural differences and are upskilling themselves en masse in dealing with various cultures. They bring that skill back home to build companies and sub cultures that ape the best of other countries. This is very unlike US style xenophobia where Murica number 1 and anything about foreigners sucks.
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- rjkennedy98 6y ago
  China and most Asian countries are ethonostates. In America, if you suggest that we should be an ethnostate you would not only be called a white supremecist, you'd likely lose your job. In fact, today to even suggest reducing immigration (like Trump) you get called a white supremecist. That is just a reality. So to say that China is less Xenophobic seems crazy to me. If China had the same immigration levels that America did, I'm 100% sure you'd see the same backlash you see in America (and likely much worse). In fact China is putting their muslim population in camps as we speak. It's easy to pooh-pooh on the racist rednecks - it's a lot harder to actually open your borders.
  - nine_zeros 6y ago

gigatexal 6y ago

Who knew this comment would bring out all the closet racists of HN. I have learned much from the sane comments though.