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> wondering if it got worse - if they did manage to build more nuclear plants like French did (75% from nuclear) instead of closing them all down, maybe German

> wondering if it got worse - if they did manage to build more nuclear plants like French did (75% from nuclear) instead of closing them all down, maybe Germany will be able to heat their homes without CO2 emissions in winter. They don't need to build anymore, they just import it. I lived 30km away from Alsace, and despite us having a significant amount of solar on all of our buildings, as did most of the local community/neighborhood, it was well understood that a significant amount of Baden-Wuttenberg's energy (the 'greenest-centric' Stat of Germany) needs were just bought from France. I don't have the figures in front of me, but I was there in 2012-13 during the transition, and I lived in an old 7 bedroom old Chateau style home that had its top floor being renovated, which was exposed to the cold winter. We lived on the bottom floor and mainly relied on wood heat from the backofen in the center of the home to heat the rest, and when we didn't/forget to keep it goin I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed as I lived the furthest away from the source, and as someone born and raised in SoCal it was incredibly terrifying at first. Before I wised up and figured out the heating method I often made my bed before having a shower and going to bed and I stuck a 2L glassflasch with hot water from those instant water heater kettle's. But it wasn't long before I summoned the inner pyro in me I had suppressed since my early teens.

lostlogin 6y ago
> I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed I laughed. In temperate New Zealand we have some truly crap housing and this is seen in many houses during our mild winters.
- soperj 6y ago
  Once a scarfy, always a scarfy.
_ph_ 6y ago
So what was the reason for your house being cold other than the ill-timed rennovation? Germany is a net electricity exporter, we don't "depend" on French nuclear energy. But of course, Germany is part of an Eurpean grid, so depending on the load distribution and the weather, there is a lot of inporting on exporting, because eletricity is traded across long distances. While often there is a significant amount of elektricity going to Germany, that is usually just transiting to other countries. And at other times Germany is exporting to France (which then often is transiting to the UK).
- Melting_Harps 6y ago
  > So what was the reason for your house being cold other than the ill-timed rennovation? I was there for my Biodynamic farming apprenticeship, and that was just what it was. It was fine, and I spent quite a bit of time there I enjoyed my time there and it taught me a lot how to cope with issues with older homes and it helped me learn to do repairs where needed. > Germany is part of an Eurpean grid, so depending on the load distribution and the weather, there is a lot of inporting on exporting, because eletricity is traded across long distances. I figured, but I was there not long after the phasing out period and solar was still being deployed, so much so I actually got to work on a few builds. > Please stop spreading myths. Germany was an energy exporter for most of the last years and even to France in the last 5 years Look at the years I listed, I was there 8 years ago not long after Fukushima. Was that still the case back then?
  - _ph_ 6y ago
    First of all, I want to point out that some parts you "quoted" in your answer were not written by me. It is quite a bit irritating how this appears. And while the oldest plants were switched off after Fukushima, Germany didn't just "switch off" the nuclear production. The nuclear contribution to the electricity production gradually declined from 19% of all electricity in 2011 to 12% in 2020 so far. The next years should bring a steeper decline though, as more plants get phased out.
- imtringued 6y ago
  It always astonishes me when people see the European grid and then somehow twist it into a nation vs nation fight as if cooperating with your neighbors is a flaw and weakness. Of course there are some antagonistic nations like Russia that would gladly take advantage of a one sided deal but most countries in the EU are not like that.
throwaway56034 6y ago
> We lived on the bottom floor and mainly relied on wood heat from the backofen in the center of the home to heat the rest, and when we didn't/forget to keep it goin I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed as I lived the furthest away from the source, and as someone born and raised in SoCal it was incredibly terrifying at first. That is highly unusual for Germany - and most probably you'd be eligible for major reductions in rent paid until the landlord fixes this (depends on the actual temperatures attainable with the heat source). Anyway, nuclear wouldn't help here: Only a tiny fraction of housing in Germany heats with electricity. It's mostly gas, central heating from power plants (with hot water pipes laid into the neighborhoods), or geothermal.
legulere 6y ago
> They don't need to build anymore, they just import it. Please stop spreading myths. Germany was an energy exporter for most of the last years and even to France in the last 5 years [1]. And it's not that we just export in summer and import in winter [2]. [2] https://www.energy-charts.de/exchange.htm?source=de_ce&year=2019 https://www.energy-charts.de/exchange.htm?source=de_ce&year=... [2]: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/bdew-monthly-electricity-import-balance-germany-2017-2019-002.jpg?itok=jmTbSGMK https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...
LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Did you have Eisblumen / frost patterns on the inside of the windows, too? Whee! Fractals for free!

lostlogin 6y ago

> I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed I laughed. In temperate New Zealand we have some truly crap housing and this is seen in many houses during our mild winters.

soperj 6y ago
Once a scarfy, always a scarfy.

_ph_ 6y ago

So what was the reason for your house being cold other than the ill-timed rennovation? Germany is a net electricity exporter, we don't "depend" on French nuclear energy. But of course, Germany is part of an Eurpean grid, so depending on the load distribution and the weather, there is a lot of inporting on exporting, because eletricity is traded across long distances. While often there is a significant amount of elektricity going to Germany, that is usually just transiting to other countries. And at other times Germany is exporting to France (which then often is transiting to the UK).

Melting_Harps 6y ago
> So what was the reason for your house being cold other than the ill-timed rennovation? I was there for my Biodynamic farming apprenticeship, and that was just what it was. It was fine, and I spent quite a bit of time there I enjoyed my time there and it taught me a lot how to cope with issues with older homes and it helped me learn to do repairs where needed. > Germany is part of an Eurpean grid, so depending on the load distribution and the weather, there is a lot of inporting on exporting, because eletricity is traded across long distances. I figured, but I was there not long after the phasing out period and solar was still being deployed, so much so I actually got to work on a few builds. > Please stop spreading myths. Germany was an energy exporter for most of the last years and even to France in the last 5 years Look at the years I listed, I was there 8 years ago not long after Fukushima. Was that still the case back then?
- _ph_ 6y ago
  First of all, I want to point out that some parts you "quoted" in your answer were not written by me. It is quite a bit irritating how this appears. And while the oldest plants were switched off after Fukushima, Germany didn't just "switch off" the nuclear production. The nuclear contribution to the electricity production gradually declined from 19% of all electricity in 2011 to 12% in 2020 so far. The next years should bring a steeper decline though, as more plants get phased out.
imtringued 6y ago
It always astonishes me when people see the European grid and then somehow twist it into a nation vs nation fight as if cooperating with your neighbors is a flaw and weakness. Of course there are some antagonistic nations like Russia that would gladly take advantage of a one sided deal but most countries in the EU are not like that.

throwaway56034 6y ago

> We lived on the bottom floor and mainly relied on wood heat from the backofen in the center of the home to heat the rest, and when we didn't/forget to keep it goin I could literately see my breath while I laid in bed as I lived the furthest away from the source, and as someone born and raised in SoCal it was incredibly terrifying at first. That is highly unusual for Germany - and most probably you'd be eligible for major reductions in rent paid until the landlord fixes this (depends on the actual temperatures attainable with the heat source). Anyway, nuclear wouldn't help here: Only a tiny fraction of housing in Germany heats with electricity. It's mostly gas, central heating from power plants (with hot water pipes laid into the neighborhoods), or geothermal.

legulere 6y ago

> They don't need to build anymore, they just import it. Please stop spreading myths. Germany was an energy exporter for most of the last years and even to France in the last 5 years [1]. And it's not that we just export in summer and import in winter [2]. [2] https://www.energy-charts.de/exchange.htm?source=de_ce&year=2019 https://www.energy-charts.de/exchange.htm?source=de_ce&year=... [2]: https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_image/public/paragraphs/images/bdew-monthly-electricity-import-balance-germany-2017-2019-002.jpg?itok=jmTbSGMK https://www.cleanenergywire.org/sites/default/files/styles/g...

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Did you have Eisblumen / frost patterns on the inside of the windows, too? Whee! Fractals for free!