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400km of bike trails is an insane amount for a small town, assuming they aren’t counting bike lanes. I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhe

400km of bike trails is an insane amount for a small town, assuming they aren’t counting bike lanes. I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that in bike or MUTs.

muep 6y ago
Oulu, a 200k town in Finland, claims to have 600 km. It still could do with some more bike paths and improvements to the existing ones, but it is at a level where almost all places are reasonably easy to access by bicycle.
- usr1106 6y ago
  You can't compare a Finnish city/municipality with a German one. In Germany it's often 5-6 km to the next municipality. In Finland it's 5-6 km to the next residential area in the (few) big cities. I'd guess the coverage of bike paths in Freiburg and Oulu might be very similar. It's the cities that are not comparable. Finnish municipalities often have the size of German county (Landkreis), but not even the population of a German city. (I have lived in Germany and Finland. But have never visited Freiburg and it's decades that I biked in or even visited Oulu the last time.)
mihaaly 6y ago
I'd call it adequate instead. > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that And this sad.
- pierrebeaucamp 6y ago
  > I'd call it adequate instead. It's above average for sure. As a counterexample, take the city of Münster, which covers twice the area of Freiburg and is often praised as one of the most bike-friendly cities in Germany. It only claims to have 300km of bike lanes. > > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that > And this sad. There are a lot of 1M+ cities that have more than that. Just from personal experience: * Munich - 1,200 km * Berlin - 422 km * Toronto - 973 km * Metro Vancouver - 4,600 km But comparing the cumulative length of bike-paths is a bit of a silly comparison anyway.
  - kiliantics 6y ago
    I don't think it's that silly if you compare it to the cumulative length of roads for cars

400km of bike trails is an insane amount for a small town, assuming they aren’t counting bike lanes. I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that in bike or MUTs.

muep 6y ago

Oulu, a 200k town in Finland, claims to have 600 km. It still could do with some more bike paths and improvements to the existing ones, but it is at a level where almost all places are reasonably easy to access by bicycle.

usr1106 6y ago
You can't compare a Finnish city/municipality with a German one. In Germany it's often 5-6 km to the next municipality. In Finland it's 5-6 km to the next residential area in the (few) big cities. I'd guess the coverage of bike paths in Freiburg and Oulu might be very similar. It's the cities that are not comparable. Finnish municipalities often have the size of German county (Landkreis), but not even the population of a German city. (I have lived in Germany and Finland. But have never visited Freiburg and it's decades that I biked in or even visited Oulu the last time.)

mihaaly 6y ago

I'd call it adequate instead. > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that And this sad.

pierrebeaucamp 6y ago
> I'd call it adequate instead. It's above average for sure. As a counterexample, take the city of Münster, which covers twice the area of Freiburg and is often praised as one of the most bike-friendly cities in Germany. It only claims to have 300km of bike lanes. > > I doubt any of the 1M+ pop cities I’ve lived in came anywhere close to that > And this sad. There are a lot of 1M+ cities that have more than that. Just from personal experience: * Munich - 1,200 km * Berlin - 422 km * Toronto - 973 km * Metro Vancouver - 4,600 km But comparing the cumulative length of bike-paths is a bit of a silly comparison anyway.
- kiliantics 6y ago
  I don't think it's that silly if you compare it to the cumulative length of roads for cars