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Many of us were old enough to have lived during a time where smartphones did not exist. My thoughts are... it is nice to have access to a great pocket-sized cam

Many of us were old enough to have lived during a time where smartphones did not exist. My thoughts are... it is nice to have access to a great pocket-sized camera and communication device, though it is also nice to turn it off once in a while.

DamonHD 6y ago
Exactly so. Though life was more annoying without a mobile phone for example (failed rendezvouz?) it happened. It's not helpful to demonise the tech rather than managing it and yourself candidly IMHO.
- _qulr 6y ago
  > Though life was more annoying without a mobile phone I disagree. My feeling is that life was much better, more "human" without mobile phones. I hate how everyone walks around staring down at their phones instead of looking at the world. It's like an addiction. It reminds me of the ST:TNG episode "The Game". People don't even acknowledge each other's existence anymore. Face-to-face interactions (pre-pandemic) ceased to exist, attention spans dropped precipitously, laziness increased (I can't be bothered to go out anywhere when I can have it delivered to my door by a "gig worker".) It's truly become a dystopia. If you weren't alive or an adult in the years before smartphones, you may not realize what a dystopia this is in comparison. I'm not even idolizing the past — there were certainly plenty of problems in the past — but this is even worse, and none of the past problems were solved either. One of the unacknowledged advantages of desktops computers is that you can't take them everywhere. You have to leave desktop computers on the desktop. You eventually have to get up, get away from the computer, and interact with other humans in person. I also feel that mobile phones decrease personal independence. The smartphone becomes a "crutch" that you don't know how to live without. You can't even function adequately without a smartphone in your hand or pocket.
  - shawnz 6y ago
    When you read and reply to people's comments on the internet, aren't you acknowledging their existence? When you browse the work that they created aren't you looking at the world?
    - _qulr 6y ago
      I'm afraid you're missing the point. When I say people don't acknowledge each other's existence, I mean people literally within a few feet/meters of each other, who could easily see and/or speak with each other if they made even the bare minimum of effort. When another person is in your physical presence, it's almost like you're deliberately ignoring them when your eyes are glued down on the smartphone. It's personal rudeness, a diss. "You're not even worth raising my head and saying hi."
      - shawnz 6y ago
        The people on the phone are effectively only a few centimetres away, nevermind feet. So shouldn't it be even more rude to ignore internet messages? The internet isn't some kind of fake virtual reality... it is just a communication tool. The draw to use it is created by real people sharing real ideas. I think this idea that people who are physically closer to you deserve more of your attention is misguided.
        _qulr 6y ago
        > shouldn't it be even more rude to ignore internet messages? Who says you have to ignore internet messages? It took you a half hour to reply to my comment, and that's fine. That leaves plenty of time to acknowledge a person IRL. The internet will still be there when we get home from being outside. That's one of the advantages of the internet.
        shawnz 6y ago
        Unfortunately no notifications on here, and also I had to think about what I was going to say :) > The internet will still be there when we get home from being outside And won't the physical space outside still be there after you decide you're done talking on the internet?
- gavribirnbaum 6y ago
  I mean, you can still have an old phone that you can use for rendezvous - it is mostly an attention issue.
pmoriarty 6y ago
Not just a camera and communication device, but also a GPS receiver. It's impossible to overstate how useful GPS is. That said, one could always get a dedicated GPS device instead of using a phone.
- megous 6y ago
  > It's impossible to overstate how useful GPS is. Maps are useful (and I think they're more useful in paper or schematic form optimized to particular use case), but GPS is really just a nice to have.

DamonHD 6y ago

Exactly so. Though life was more annoying without a mobile phone for example (failed rendezvouz?) it happened. It's not helpful to demonise the tech rather than managing it and yourself candidly IMHO.

_qulr 6y ago
> Though life was more annoying without a mobile phone I disagree. My feeling is that life was much better, more "human" without mobile phones. I hate how everyone walks around staring down at their phones instead of looking at the world. It's like an addiction. It reminds me of the ST:TNG episode "The Game". People don't even acknowledge each other's existence anymore. Face-to-face interactions (pre-pandemic) ceased to exist, attention spans dropped precipitously, laziness increased (I can't be bothered to go out anywhere when I can have it delivered to my door by a "gig worker".) It's truly become a dystopia. If you weren't alive or an adult in the years before smartphones, you may not realize what a dystopia this is in comparison. I'm not even idolizing the past — there were certainly plenty of problems in the past — but this is even worse, and none of the past problems were solved either. One of the unacknowledged advantages of desktops computers is that you can't take them everywhere. You have to leave desktop computers on the desktop. You eventually have to get up, get away from the computer, and interact with other humans in person. I also feel that mobile phones decrease personal independence. The smartphone becomes a "crutch" that you don't know how to live without. You can't even function adequately without a smartphone in your hand or pocket.
- shawnz 6y ago
  When you read and reply to people's comments on the internet, aren't you acknowledging their existence? When you browse the work that they created aren't you looking at the world?
  - _qulr 6y ago
    I'm afraid you're missing the point. When I say people don't acknowledge each other's existence, I mean people literally within a few feet/meters of each other, who could easily see and/or speak with each other if they made even the bare minimum of effort. When another person is in your physical presence, it's almost like you're deliberately ignoring them when your eyes are glued down on the smartphone. It's personal rudeness, a diss. "You're not even worth raising my head and saying hi."
    - shawnz 6y ago
      The people on the phone are effectively only a few centimetres away, nevermind feet. So shouldn't it be even more rude to ignore internet messages? The internet isn't some kind of fake virtual reality... it is just a communication tool. The draw to use it is created by real people sharing real ideas. I think this idea that people who are physically closer to you deserve more of your attention is misguided.
      - _qulr 6y ago
        > shouldn't it be even more rude to ignore internet messages? Who says you have to ignore internet messages? It took you a half hour to reply to my comment, and that's fine. That leaves plenty of time to acknowledge a person IRL. The internet will still be there when we get home from being outside. That's one of the advantages of the internet.
        shawnz 6y ago
        Unfortunately no notifications on here, and also I had to think about what I was going to say :) > The internet will still be there when we get home from being outside And won't the physical space outside still be there after you decide you're done talking on the internet?
gavribirnbaum 6y ago
I mean, you can still have an old phone that you can use for rendezvous - it is mostly an attention issue.

pmoriarty 6y ago

Not just a camera and communication device, but also a GPS receiver. It's impossible to overstate how useful GPS is. That said, one could always get a dedicated GPS device instead of using a phone.

megous 6y ago
> It's impossible to overstate how useful GPS is. Maps are useful (and I think they're more useful in paper or schematic form optimized to particular use case), but GPS is really just a nice to have.