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Yes. This kindly-worded "Our way or the highway" is a hallmark: "If the App Store model and guidelines are not best for your app or business idea that’s okay,

Yes. This kindly-worded "Our way or the highway" is a hallmark: "If the App Store model and guidelines are not best for your app or business idea that’s okay, we provide Safari for a great web experience too."

paxys 6y ago
"We provide Safari for a great web experience too, but don't implement any standard APIs like push notifications, data persistence, bluetooth, NFC, add to homescreen prompt, icons, launch screen, themes that would actually make it a worthwhile alternative to the app store" is what they should have said.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  All those little bits you stuffed onto the end of your pretend quote negate the "great web experience" portion.
- scarface74 6y ago
  There has been the ability add to the home screen since day 1. There were plenty of website that calculated where the “share” button was in the browser app and had a pop up to add to the home screen.
  - paxys 6y ago
    There is no option to do so from any other browser other than Safari. And even in Safari, the most a website can do is guide users through the open settings -> swipe -> scroll -> click button -> enter title -> hit ok flow.
    - scarface74 6y ago
      There is no “go to settings”. Click the share button, Scroll up, click “Add to home screen”, click OK. The title is the title of the page.
      - paxys 6y ago
        And how do I do it from Chrome?
        scarface74 6y ago
        So now that you were factually proven to be incorrect you want to move the goal posts? The initial post that we both responded to clearly stated Safari. > We provide Safari for a great web experience too, but don't implement any standard APIs like push notifications, data persistence, bluetooth, NFC, add to homescreen prompt, icons, launch screen, themes that would actually make it a worthwhile alternative to the app store" is what they should have said.
        paxys 6y ago
        My initial argument was that Apple does not provide standard APIs - and they don't - so I don't see how there is any moving of goal posts. There is no way for a website to prompt a dialog to add itself to the home screen, despite it existing in the HTML spec and all other major browsers. In addition to that Apple forces other browsers to use its own web view, and doesn't expose the add to home screen functionality there either.
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        scarface74 6y ago
        Whether that was your “initial argument” or not, your statement > And even in Safari, the most a website can do is guide users through the open settings -> swipe -> scroll -> click button -> enter title -> hit ok flow. Was wrong. Also, it’s coming to iOS 14 https://caniuse.com/web-app-manifest https://caniuse.com/web-app-manifest
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        You're talking past each other. Look back at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24447692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24447692 There are two complaints in that comment. You addressed one of those complaints, showing it to be wrong. You did not address the other complaint, and it was not "moving the goalpoats" to repeat it. > Also, it’s coming to iOS 14 Good.
- JamesSwift 6y ago
  And the only alternatives to it are also using Safari under the covers because we require them to

paxys 6y ago

"We provide Safari for a great web experience too, but don't implement any standard APIs like push notifications, data persistence, bluetooth, NFC, add to homescreen prompt, icons, launch screen, themes that would actually make it a worthwhile alternative to the app store" is what they should have said.

reaperducer 6y ago
All those little bits you stuffed onto the end of your pretend quote negate the "great web experience" portion.
scarface74 6y ago
There has been the ability add to the home screen since day 1. There were plenty of website that calculated where the “share” button was in the browser app and had a pop up to add to the home screen.
- paxys 6y ago
  There is no option to do so from any other browser other than Safari. And even in Safari, the most a website can do is guide users through the open settings -> swipe -> scroll -> click button -> enter title -> hit ok flow.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    There is no “go to settings”. Click the share button, Scroll up, click “Add to home screen”, click OK. The title is the title of the page.
    - paxys 6y ago
      And how do I do it from Chrome?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        So now that you were factually proven to be incorrect you want to move the goal posts? The initial post that we both responded to clearly stated Safari. > We provide Safari for a great web experience too, but don't implement any standard APIs like push notifications, data persistence, bluetooth, NFC, add to homescreen prompt, icons, launch screen, themes that would actually make it a worthwhile alternative to the app store" is what they should have said.
        paxys 6y ago
        My initial argument was that Apple does not provide standard APIs - and they don't - so I don't see how there is any moving of goal posts. There is no way for a website to prompt a dialog to add itself to the home screen, despite it existing in the HTML spec and all other major browsers. In addition to that Apple forces other browsers to use its own web view, and doesn't expose the add to home screen functionality there either.
        deleted 6y ago
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        scarface74 6y ago
        Whether that was your “initial argument” or not, your statement > And even in Safari, the most a website can do is guide users through the open settings -> swipe -> scroll -> click button -> enter title -> hit ok flow. Was wrong. Also, it’s coming to iOS 14 https://caniuse.com/web-app-manifest https://caniuse.com/web-app-manifest
        Dylan16807 6y ago
        You're talking past each other. Look back at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24447692 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24447692 There are two complaints in that comment. You addressed one of those complaints, showing it to be wrong. You did not address the other complaint, and it was not "moving the goalpoats" to repeat it. > Also, it’s coming to iOS 14 Good.
JamesSwift 6y ago
And the only alternatives to it are also using Safari under the covers because we require them to