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Your post could do without the "concentration camp" flame-bait; it diminishes the phrase for those with family members who died in actual concentration camps du

Your post could do without the "concentration camp" flame-bait; it diminishes the phrase for those with family members who died in actual concentration camps during WWII. Drones are basically a toy weapon, so your complaint is that a for-profit company that sells toy weapons would pursue business from its largest potential customer.

sneak 6y ago
Not flamebait, just facts. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/ https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentratio...
- elefanten 6y ago
  “We have what I would call a concentration camp system,” Pitzer says, “and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial.” Here we have category of "person invents a definition that advances their political goals." GP's point stands that invoking what is signified to most readers by "concentration camp" is in a different universe from what you're talking about. You can call out, highlight, criticize and advocate against bad practices without sensationalizing the discourse.
  - conception 6y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_in... https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp No, that’s what they are. That’s what you call such a camp.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Just checking whether you know that people call the camps run by Nazis "concentration camps" and "extermination camps", because there's a difference. EG, here's the Auschwitz Memorial twitter account bio: https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum > Official account EN. The Memorial preserves the site of the former German Nazi Auschwitz concentration and extermination camp. You can help http://donate.auschwitz.org http://donate.auschwitz.org You said the person "invents a definition", but that's easily refuted by looking in a dictionary. concentration 7. attrib.: concentration camp, a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the South African War of 1899-1902; one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939-45; also fig.; concentration cell Electr., a cell whose difference of potential is due to the difference of concentration of the solutions in which the electrodes are immersed. 1901: J. Ellis in Hansard's Parl. Deb. Ser. iv. XC. 180 “The policy of placing the women and children confined in the concentration camps in South Africa, whose husbands and fathers are in the field, on reduced rations.” 1901: Contemp. Rev. Oct. 528 “Considerable controversy has taken place concerning the Concentration Camps.” 1930: O. Williams tr. P. Monelli's Toes Up iii. 210 “Those who returned from being prisoners were parked in a concentration camp under the guard of other soldiers.” 1934: Ann. Reg. 1933 173 “Germany..For dealing with the masses of prisoners special concentration camps were opened.” 1934: C. Lambert Music Ho! i. 52 “The purely fashionable change in the tastes of the concentration camp of intellectuals to whom Diaghileff played up.” 1935: B. Russell Relig. & Sci. x. 248 “In Germany and Russia,..those who openly disagree, even if they escape with their lives, are liable to forced labour in a concentration camp.” 1940: H. G. Wells Babes in Darkling Wood iii. i. 234 “The White Paper of Nazi atrocities in the concentration camps and elsewhere.” 1941: [see Aryanization b]. 1943: [see Aryan a. 2]. 1959: J. Braine Vodi v. 76 “He caught sight of his own arms, reduced almost to concentration-camp dimensions, the veins blue and obscenely swollen against the white skin.”
    - imtringued 6y ago
      Yes, concentration camps are basically informal prisons where people end up when they "disappear". The Nazi regime made sure the prisoners didn't get enough food and were worked to the bone which caused them to die them as a side effect but that is just one way to run a concentration camp. A concentration camp where no one dies is also awful.
- rbecker 6y ago
  So if I understand correctly, during WWII, so many Jews were trying to enter Germany, they had to build camps where they were kept before being deported? Edit: To clarify, I'm pointing out there is a huge, gigantic difference between trying to keep people out of a country, and trying to keep them in. Conflating the two is beyond dishonest.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Anti-Semitic holocaust denial is common. This means we owe a duty to the millions who died to remember how they were murdered by the Nazis. The Nazis operated two types of camps. They ran concentration camps, forced labour camps, and extermination camps. https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/types-of-camps/ https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/types-of-cam... > Separating concentration camps and extermination camps > It is key to separate concentration camps from extermination camps. > The aim of the Nazi concentration camps was to contain prisoners in one place. The administration of the camps had a distinct disregard for inmates’ lives and health, and as a result, tens of thousands of people perished within the camps. > The aim of the Nazi extermination camps was to murder and annihilate all races deemed ‘degenerate’: primarily Jews but also Roma.
    - rbecker 6y ago
      I don't think the comparison was made with holocaust denial in mind, however.
snowwrestler 6y ago
Setting aside the question of Anduril, “concentration camp” is a general term that is not specific to Nazi Germany’s death camps. The U.S. operated concentration camps for people (including U.S. citizens) of Japanese national origin during WWII. https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp The topic is super partisan right now, but in the long run, the current U.S. detention centers near the southern border have a good chance of being considered concentration camps because of the intense and overt focus on the national origin and ethnicity of those detained. Immigrants of other ethnicities, even those without entry visas or other documentation problems, are not being similarly detained.

sneak 6y ago

Not flamebait, just facts. https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentration-camps-southern-border-migrant-detention-facilities-trump/ https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a27813648/concentratio...

elefanten 6y ago
“We have what I would call a concentration camp system,” Pitzer says, “and the definition of that in my book is, mass detention of civilians without trial.” Here we have category of "person invents a definition that advances their political goals." GP's point stands that invoking what is signified to most readers by "concentration camp" is in a different universe from what you're talking about. You can call out, highlight, criticize and advocate against bad practices without sensationalizing the discourse.
- conception 6y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_in... https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp No, that’s what they are. That’s what you call such a camp.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Just checking whether you know that people call the camps run by Nazis "concentration camps" and "extermination camps", because there's a difference. EG, here's the Auschwitz Memorial twitter account bio: https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum https://twitter.com/AuschwitzMuseum > Official account EN. The Memorial preserves the site of the former German Nazi Auschwitz concentration and extermination camp. You can help http://donate.auschwitz.org http://donate.auschwitz.org You said the person "invents a definition", but that's easily refuted by looking in a dictionary. concentration 7. attrib.: concentration camp, a camp where non-combatants of a district are accommodated, such as those instituted by Lord Kitchener during the South African War of 1899-1902; one for the internment of political prisoners, foreign nationals, etc., esp. as organized by the Nazi regime in Germany before and during the war of 1939-45; also fig.; concentration cell Electr., a cell whose difference of potential is due to the difference of concentration of the solutions in which the electrodes are immersed. 1901: J. Ellis in Hansard's Parl. Deb. Ser. iv. XC. 180 “The policy of placing the women and children confined in the concentration camps in South Africa, whose husbands and fathers are in the field, on reduced rations.” 1901: Contemp. Rev. Oct. 528 “Considerable controversy has taken place concerning the Concentration Camps.” 1930: O. Williams tr. P. Monelli's Toes Up iii. 210 “Those who returned from being prisoners were parked in a concentration camp under the guard of other soldiers.” 1934: Ann. Reg. 1933 173 “Germany..For dealing with the masses of prisoners special concentration camps were opened.” 1934: C. Lambert Music Ho! i. 52 “The purely fashionable change in the tastes of the concentration camp of intellectuals to whom Diaghileff played up.” 1935: B. Russell Relig. & Sci. x. 248 “In Germany and Russia,..those who openly disagree, even if they escape with their lives, are liable to forced labour in a concentration camp.” 1940: H. G. Wells Babes in Darkling Wood iii. i. 234 “The White Paper of Nazi atrocities in the concentration camps and elsewhere.” 1941: [see Aryanization b]. 1943: [see Aryan a. 2]. 1959: J. Braine Vodi v. 76 “He caught sight of his own arms, reduced almost to concentration-camp dimensions, the veins blue and obscenely swollen against the white skin.”
  - imtringued 6y ago
    Yes, concentration camps are basically informal prisons where people end up when they "disappear". The Nazi regime made sure the prisoners didn't get enough food and were worked to the bone which caused them to die them as a side effect but that is just one way to run a concentration camp. A concentration camp where no one dies is also awful.
rbecker 6y ago
So if I understand correctly, during WWII, so many Jews were trying to enter Germany, they had to build camps where they were kept before being deported? Edit: To clarify, I'm pointing out there is a huge, gigantic difference between trying to keep people out of a country, and trying to keep them in. Conflating the two is beyond dishonest.
- DanBC 6y ago
  Anti-Semitic holocaust denial is common. This means we owe a duty to the millions who died to remember how they were murdered by the Nazis. The Nazis operated two types of camps. They ran concentration camps, forced labour camps, and extermination camps. https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/types-of-camps/ https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/the-camps/types-of-cam... > Separating concentration camps and extermination camps > It is key to separate concentration camps from extermination camps. > The aim of the Nazi concentration camps was to contain prisoners in one place. The administration of the camps had a distinct disregard for inmates’ lives and health, and as a result, tens of thousands of people perished within the camps. > The aim of the Nazi extermination camps was to murder and annihilate all races deemed ‘degenerate’: primarily Jews but also Roma.
  - rbecker 6y ago
    I don't think the comparison was made with holocaust denial in mind, however.

snowwrestler 6y ago

Setting aside the question of Anduril, “concentration camp” is a general term that is not specific to Nazi Germany’s death camps. The U.S. operated concentration camps for people (including U.S. citizens) of Japanese national origin during WWII. https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp https://www.britannica.com/topic/concentration-camp The topic is super partisan right now, but in the long run, the current U.S. detention centers near the southern border have a good chance of being considered concentration camps because of the intense and overt focus on the national origin and ethnicity of those detained. Immigrants of other ethnicities, even those without entry visas or other documentation problems, are not being similarly detained.