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I find the audacity of the fraud hilarious. They pulled a truck up a hill and let it roll down unpowered, using it in a video demonstrating their new EV techno
by ctvo 6y ago
I find the audacity of the fraud hilarious.
They pulled a truck up a hill and let it roll down unpowered, using it in a video demonstrating their new EV technology when nothing worked. Who does that.
- swyx 6y agoi dunno - here is the video in question: https://blurbsurfer.com/index.php/video/p9reimwb https://blurbsurfer.com/index.php/video/p9reimwb that really look like a hill to you?
- williamscales 6y agoYeah, that actually does look like a hill. It appears to me the road rises up to the ridge seen in the background.
- ojosilva 6y agoCan anyone pinpoint the location? Then we could clear this up. Seems like relevant evidence on the whole scheme, if that's really the case.
- crisnoble 6y agoThe article has the exact location.
- williamscales 6y agoThe article authors did find the location and there is a 3% grade on the road: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5208858,-112.5008986,3a,75y,186.3h,98.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sR8A6qOF2ANQDuBk7eYmBMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en-US https://www.google.com/maps/@40.5208858,-112.5008986,3a,75y,...
- revscat 6y agoRead the article. It discusses how they tested with the same road, and were able to put an SUV in neutral and achieve a cruising speed of 53mph using that same road.
- swyx 6y agohuh, TIL. guilty of scanning.
- recursive 6y agoNo, it doesn't look like a hill. But it doesn't matter what it looks like. They found the exact road, and it has a 3% grade.
- liability 6y agoHonestly it does look like a hill for me, particularly in the shots where the road is angled down and to the left with the truck rolling left (the video starts with such a shot). I know that's partially an optical illusion and doesn't represent the true slope but I do think it looks like a hill.
- perl4ever 6y agoYou can make a vehicle roll "uphill" if you choose the spot carefully. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_hill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_hill
- prdonahue 6y agoStartups do this. All the time. But they're typically software not hardware demos so much easier to fake.
- foolfoolz 6y agothis sounds equivalent to recording your demo of your website to play during a conference because you aren’t sure it’s gonna work on stage. done that plenty of times
- jariel 6y agoNot equivalent though, by a stretch. That would be 'Tesla making a video of a working vehicle and showing it at Conf because they are not sure it will start!' There are reasonable expectations of 'show', but showing something that literally does not work, as 'working' would be fraud. The equivalent would be 'there is no software' so 'just make a video fabrication of software' and then show that at the conf.
- ashtonkem 6y agoThere is a pretty big gap between “it might crash so I have a backup” and “it has never worked so let’s fake it”.
- foolfoolz 6y agonot from a customers perspective
- WalterSear 6y agoHardly. This is more like faking your website demo because you don't know how to use the internet.
- outworlder 6y ago> because you aren’t sure it’s gonna work on stage Because you aren't sure it's going to work at all, ever.
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- beamatronic 6y agoEvery start up ever
- winrid 6y agoFake it till you make it, to the extreme.
- femto113 6y agoI like how they carefully called this demo "in motion", not "driving" or even "road test". It's definitely in motion!
- coliveira 6y agoThis is the secret of the startup business.
- foobiekr 6y agoHow crap do you have to be that, if you're going to fake it, you don't just tow it and digitally remove the cable or put an electric motor in or whatever? It's just a such laughable approach.