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All of the ryzen laptops that exist have abysmal screens. I would have bought one if it weren't for this fact.

q3k 6y ago
Very happy with my T14 (AMD) IPS 1920x1080 display. Some might dislike that it's not High DPI, but personally that's not a feature I want.
- Grazester 6y ago
  250 to 500 nits. That is not very bright and this is the potential problem for me.
  - bluedino 6y ago
    250 is not bright, but 500 sure is.
    - q3k 6y ago
      I'm on 300 and it's definitely bright enough for my needs - so your mileage may vary.
    - post_break 6y ago
      500 is a lie, since that panel has an extra layer for their stupid privacy guard.
    - fomine3 6y ago
      My ThinkPad E495 has 500nit FHD IPS display. It's enough for most place but it's not enough bright for very bright place. It's not looks like 500nit.
- rowanG077 6y ago
  Full HD for 14 inch display is not great. And unless you get the privacy guard screen it's also not a bright screen. Tbh I would jump to any high res oled 13 inch laptop almost instantly. Screen is one of the most important parts for me.
- formerly_proven 6y ago
  1080p on 14" is high DPI. It's just not 250+ DPI high.
  - chrismorgan 6y ago
    Colloquially, “high DPI” has a fairly specific meaning: it means “designed to be used with a scaling factor of at least 2 (and definitely uncomfortable to use below a scaling factor of 1.5)”. 1920×1080 on 14″ does not meet this definition. And when it’s capitalised, High DPI, as it was in the parent comment, it’s definitely referring to this definition. Back in the days when 1366×768 and 1280×800 were common sorts of resolutions and 1920×1080 was the highest available (that is, before Apple’s Retina displays), perhaps you could have said 1920×1080 was “high DPI”, but people didn’t use the term “high DPI” back then. And certainly not “High DPI”.
- justaguyhere 6y ago
  I understand it is good for programming. Can it handle video editing? I am trying to decide between T14 and P1, which is almost twice the price as T14. Any review will be helpful.
  - q3k 6y ago
    Do you need more performance benchmarks? Here's my experiences on Linux (NixOS). I've done some light Blender work on it and it handled things just fine. Haven't tried GPU acceleration for Cycles, though. If I bump up thermal limits to 95 degrees then it compiles things at similar speeds to my old i7-6700k machine, if not slightly faster. At stock 60 degrees it's still pretty damn fast, but aggressively throttles if you try to use all cores at once for more than a few seconds. At stock thermal limits it also never gets too uncomfortable to handle. The GPU is good but not great. Satisfactory via Proton struggled (but got to 50FPS on low settings), older games like Portal 2 run great on ultra settings. amdgpu works pretty well, or at least not worse than amdgpu on my desktop. Overall, it's a good replacement for my old workstation, can handle some non-trivial video/GPU workloads, and I recommend it. There's some things that need to be ironed out (ACPI S3 sleep is currently somewhat broken, but Lenovo is currently working on certifying this machine with Ubuntu, so that should fix things), but that's mostly because it's such a new CPU/Laptop.
    - justaguyhere 6y ago
      Thank you. I really want a AMD laptop, but they don't seem to have good displays. If I am to stare at the screen 10+ hours a day, I'd like a good screen. Do you like the display?
      - q3k 6y ago
        Yes. But I also really dislike some displays that some people love, like Macbook displays. So, you know, de gustibus.
- post_break 6y ago
  I want one, but lenovo still has a screen lottery with their 400 nit low power screen.
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temptemptemp111 6y ago
Ya the only option is getting one that can be swapped out. I'd go OLED.
Grazester 6y ago
Why the hell is this? I bought one myself and in my search I could not find an AMD laptop with a good screen
- stefan_ 6y ago
  It's a $900 laptop. Just need to wait for them to put this CPU into a model line they care about.
  - Grazester 6y ago
    That goes up to $1,349.40 for the T14's.
    - easton 6y ago
      Does the T14 get the same battery life as this system? If so, I might have to look into that (or the inevitable X1 Carbon version).
chrismorgan 6y ago
My last couple of laptops have had IPS panels. I intend never to buy a TN panel again. My last laptop was a 15″ 1920×1080, and my current is a 13″ 3000×2000 (and I love the aspect ratio). I intend never to buy a laptop with a 1920×1080 screen again. At some point I’m afraid I may end up with a ≥120fps screen and rarefy my tastes still further. (I hear good things about them, but have never seen an LCD with such a frame rate.) Fortunately screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare. I just hope someone comes out with a good screen on one of these—I barely even care if it’s super expensive; because it’d be a real shame to have to decide between a good screen and a good CPU.
- viraptor 6y ago
  > screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare They're huge power sinks. If you need to play games on the laptop for some reasons and can have it plugged in all the time, it works. But 4k often take 1-2h off the battery life and the high frame rate will likely have an impact too. I don't mind 1080p, or 60hz, but I'd love proper HDR OLED for work, so I can have high contrast together with lower brightness.
- formerly_proven 6y ago
  For desktop use 120 vs 60 Hz is noticeable on Windows (obviously very noticeable on the mouse cursor, but that doesn't change the UX much), but because DWM has basically optimal latency as far as dragging windows around goes, it's not that big of a difference. On Linux it's a pretty huge difference since Linux compositors aren't as good as DWM. Basically, Linux with 120 Hz feels like Windows on 60 Hz.
  - silon42 6y ago
    First thing I usually switch off on Linux is the compositor. It's not that bad typically (you notice latency only if you look for it), but why add unnecessary latency...
    - solarkraft 6y ago
indymike 6y ago
After spending about six years with a Macbook with a retina display, going to even 1080p feels like a step back.
- notacoward 6y ago
  I'm on a three-year-old MBP right now. Next to me is my new IdeaPad Slim 7. Other than Slim's screen being a bit smaller, I hardly notice a difference.
- mroche 6y ago
  It's a tad ironic (to me) because unless you max out the scaling of the display, none of the MacBook displays have an effective resolution >= 1920x1080. Apple has been defaulting to a fractional scaling the past few years rather than true Retina which is 200% scaling, but even then it falls short[0]. However, 200% scaling is crisp and I can appreciate it. I just don't like losing all that real estate. And the fractional options on MacBooks aren't bad, but I can see text fuzzing out when it's not on the real Retina resolution. So when I'm running without an external display I do bite the bullet and deal with the lower resolution because otherwise I can feel my eyes straining. [0] Model | Physical | Max | Default | Retina 16" | 3072x1920 | 2048x1280 | 1792x1120 | 1536x960 15" | 2880x1800 | 1920x1200 | 1680x1050 | 1440x900 13" | 2560x1600 | 1680x1050 | 1440x900 | 1280x800
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  - solarkraft 6y ago
    I use a '15 MBP with Windows for work and usually use it at 125-150%. Almost nothing looks blurry. I can't imagine it being worse on macOS. At home I use a 4k 15" XPS with Linux on 1,7x scaling and nothing looks bad either. I assume app support is there for the former case and it's not for the latter, so I can pretty well recommend 4k screens at that size.
    - chrismorgan 6y ago
Yizahi 6y ago
I bought recently HP 455 G7 with Ryzen 4300U and IPS screen. It's not the best screen but miles better than TN-film panels anyway. Good for a budget office laptop.
- addled 6y ago
  I ordered the 445 G7 with 4750U over a month ago. Shortly after, I was notified the estimated delivery was pushed out to a specific date a couple weeks later than original. A couple weeks later, I got notified that that due to supply issues for certain components, the date was pushed, without a specific date, and I could cancel if I wanted or take a discount when it finally shipped. This week HP said they cancelled my order altogether, with a list of cancelled business laptop skus. All of them were because of lack of AMD CPUs. Supposedly I can get a discount on something else, but there's just not much to pick from.
pedrocr 6y ago
I would have ordered an AMD Lenovo T14s if they hadn't artificially segmented it by not offering the 4K screen available on the Intel version. Hopefully AMD can increase the volume for these chips and more configurations show up.

q3k 6y ago

Very happy with my T14 (AMD) IPS 1920x1080 display. Some might dislike that it's not High DPI, but personally that's not a feature I want.

Grazester 6y ago
250 to 500 nits. That is not very bright and this is the potential problem for me.
- bluedino 6y ago
  250 is not bright, but 500 sure is.
  - q3k 6y ago
    I'm on 300 and it's definitely bright enough for my needs - so your mileage may vary.
  - post_break 6y ago
    500 is a lie, since that panel has an extra layer for their stupid privacy guard.
  - fomine3 6y ago
    My ThinkPad E495 has 500nit FHD IPS display. It's enough for most place but it's not enough bright for very bright place. It's not looks like 500nit.
rowanG077 6y ago
Full HD for 14 inch display is not great. And unless you get the privacy guard screen it's also not a bright screen. Tbh I would jump to any high res oled 13 inch laptop almost instantly. Screen is one of the most important parts for me.
formerly_proven 6y ago
1080p on 14" is high DPI. It's just not 250+ DPI high.
- chrismorgan 6y ago
  Colloquially, “high DPI” has a fairly specific meaning: it means “designed to be used with a scaling factor of at least 2 (and definitely uncomfortable to use below a scaling factor of 1.5)”. 1920×1080 on 14″ does not meet this definition. And when it’s capitalised, High DPI, as it was in the parent comment, it’s definitely referring to this definition. Back in the days when 1366×768 and 1280×800 were common sorts of resolutions and 1920×1080 was the highest available (that is, before Apple’s Retina displays), perhaps you could have said 1920×1080 was “high DPI”, but people didn’t use the term “high DPI” back then. And certainly not “High DPI”.
justaguyhere 6y ago
I understand it is good for programming. Can it handle video editing? I am trying to decide between T14 and P1, which is almost twice the price as T14. Any review will be helpful.
- q3k 6y ago
  Do you need more performance benchmarks? Here's my experiences on Linux (NixOS). I've done some light Blender work on it and it handled things just fine. Haven't tried GPU acceleration for Cycles, though. If I bump up thermal limits to 95 degrees then it compiles things at similar speeds to my old i7-6700k machine, if not slightly faster. At stock 60 degrees it's still pretty damn fast, but aggressively throttles if you try to use all cores at once for more than a few seconds. At stock thermal limits it also never gets too uncomfortable to handle. The GPU is good but not great. Satisfactory via Proton struggled (but got to 50FPS on low settings), older games like Portal 2 run great on ultra settings. amdgpu works pretty well, or at least not worse than amdgpu on my desktop. Overall, it's a good replacement for my old workstation, can handle some non-trivial video/GPU workloads, and I recommend it. There's some things that need to be ironed out (ACPI S3 sleep is currently somewhat broken, but Lenovo is currently working on certifying this machine with Ubuntu, so that should fix things), but that's mostly because it's such a new CPU/Laptop.
  - justaguyhere 6y ago
    Thank you. I really want a AMD laptop, but they don't seem to have good displays. If I am to stare at the screen 10+ hours a day, I'd like a good screen. Do you like the display?
    - q3k 6y ago
      Yes. But I also really dislike some displays that some people love, like Macbook displays. So, you know, de gustibus.
post_break 6y ago
I want one, but lenovo still has a screen lottery with their 400 nit low power screen.
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temptemptemp111 6y ago

Ya the only option is getting one that can be swapped out. I'd go OLED.

Grazester 6y ago

Why the hell is this? I bought one myself and in my search I could not find an AMD laptop with a good screen

stefan_ 6y ago
It's a $900 laptop. Just need to wait for them to put this CPU into a model line they care about.
- Grazester 6y ago
  That goes up to $1,349.40 for the T14's.
  - easton 6y ago
    Does the T14 get the same battery life as this system? If so, I might have to look into that (or the inevitable X1 Carbon version).

chrismorgan 6y ago

My last couple of laptops have had IPS panels. I intend never to buy a TN panel again. My last laptop was a 15″ 1920×1080, and my current is a 13″ 3000×2000 (and I love the aspect ratio). I intend never to buy a laptop with a 1920×1080 screen again. At some point I’m afraid I may end up with a ≥120fps screen and rarefy my tastes still further. (I hear good things about them, but have never seen an LCD with such a frame rate.) Fortunately screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare. I just hope someone comes out with a good screen on one of these—I barely even care if it’s super expensive; because it’d be a real shame to have to decide between a good screen and a good CPU.

viraptor 6y ago
> screens with both a high frame rate and a high resolution are still vanishingly rare They're huge power sinks. If you need to play games on the laptop for some reasons and can have it plugged in all the time, it works. But 4k often take 1-2h off the battery life and the high frame rate will likely have an impact too. I don't mind 1080p, or 60hz, but I'd love proper HDR OLED for work, so I can have high contrast together with lower brightness.
formerly_proven 6y ago
For desktop use 120 vs 60 Hz is noticeable on Windows (obviously very noticeable on the mouse cursor, but that doesn't change the UX much), but because DWM has basically optimal latency as far as dragging windows around goes, it's not that big of a difference. On Linux it's a pretty huge difference since Linux compositors aren't as good as DWM. Basically, Linux with 120 Hz feels like Windows on 60 Hz.
- silon42 6y ago
  First thing I usually switch off on Linux is the compositor. It's not that bad typically (you notice latency only if you look for it), but why add unnecessary latency...
  - solarkraft 6y ago

indymike 6y ago

After spending about six years with a Macbook with a retina display, going to even 1080p feels like a step back.

notacoward 6y ago
I'm on a three-year-old MBP right now. Next to me is my new IdeaPad Slim 7. Other than Slim's screen being a bit smaller, I hardly notice a difference.
mroche 6y ago
It's a tad ironic (to me) because unless you max out the scaling of the display, none of the MacBook displays have an effective resolution >= 1920x1080. Apple has been defaulting to a fractional scaling the past few years rather than true Retina which is 200% scaling, but even then it falls short[0]. However, 200% scaling is crisp and I can appreciate it. I just don't like losing all that real estate. And the fractional options on MacBooks aren't bad, but I can see text fuzzing out when it's not on the real Retina resolution. So when I'm running without an external display I do bite the bullet and deal with the lower resolution because otherwise I can feel my eyes straining. [0] Model | Physical | Max | Default | Retina 16" | 3072x1920 | 2048x1280 | 1792x1120 | 1536x960 15" | 2880x1800 | 1920x1200 | 1680x1050 | 1440x900 13" | 2560x1600 | 1680x1050 | 1440x900 | 1280x800
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- solarkraft 6y ago
  I use a '15 MBP with Windows for work and usually use it at 125-150%. Almost nothing looks blurry. I can't imagine it being worse on macOS. At home I use a 4k 15" XPS with Linux on 1,7x scaling and nothing looks bad either. I assume app support is there for the former case and it's not for the latter, so I can pretty well recommend 4k screens at that size.
  - chrismorgan 6y ago

Yizahi 6y ago

I bought recently HP 455 G7 with Ryzen 4300U and IPS screen. It's not the best screen but miles better than TN-film panels anyway. Good for a budget office laptop.

addled 6y ago
I ordered the 445 G7 with 4750U over a month ago. Shortly after, I was notified the estimated delivery was pushed out to a specific date a couple weeks later than original. A couple weeks later, I got notified that that due to supply issues for certain components, the date was pushed, without a specific date, and I could cancel if I wanted or take a discount when it finally shipped. This week HP said they cancelled my order altogether, with a list of cancelled business laptop skus. All of them were because of lack of AMD CPUs. Supposedly I can get a discount on something else, but there's just not much to pick from.

pedrocr 6y ago

I would have ordered an AMD Lenovo T14s if they hadn't artificially segmented it by not offering the 4K screen available on the Intel version. Hopefully AMD can increase the volume for these chips and more configurations show up.