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The government created Silicon Valley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo I have no evidence other than th

The government created Silicon Valley: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo I have no evidence other than the sheer obviousness of it, but the ties still continue to this day. I have no doubt it is kept hidden from most employees due to the general political leanings of most Valley engineers. For instance, my work does a ton of work for the DoE and you hear them mentioned all the time. The DoD is also a customer and you never hear their name.

propogandist 6y ago
Google bought Keyhole (now Google Maps) from In-Q-Tel, the CIA's VC firm [1] -- this was when Eric Schmidt was CEO. Maps was caught wardriving [2] with Google Streetview, linking Wifi access point names to physical locations early on. After getting caught, they settled for $13 Million last year. Now Google Maps and even location services on all Android devices uses wifi scanning and bluetooth scanning as part of location triangulation. This is a constantly updating map of every SSID in existance, including unique radio devices in a given location. Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, now heads up the DoD's advisory board on new technology [3] [1] https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/tech/google-street-view-privacy-lawsuit-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/tech/google-street-view-priva... [3] https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2016/03/02/google-executive-schmidt-to-head-new-dod-advisory-board/ https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2016/03/02/go... ||| https://innovation.defense.gov/Media/Biographies/Bio-Display/Article/1377390/dr-eric-schmidt/ https://innovation.defense.gov/Media/Biographies/Bio-Display...
- sitkack 6y ago
  Schmidt also _visited_ Assange, https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447 https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-27...
- birdyrooster 6y ago
  Allegedly, Schmidt also games politics, albeit unsuccessfully, he spent millions on The Groundwork trying to prop up Hillary's 2016 campaign only charging them ~$700k (at one point they had 70 SWE/SRE on staff with most focusing on her campaign's needs for an entire year, they were only a couple blocks away in NYC from Hillary HQ). The company he invested in, Timshel, folded the same year as Hillary lost the election. I'd bet anyone money he wrote off his illegal in-kind contributions as 1099 losses. Check out his emails with Robby Mook.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Coincidentally, it was his daughter who pushed for Cambridge Analytica's parent company to connect with Palantir while she was an intern.
- wololo 6y ago
  Regarding [2], the sensationalized, alarmist way the media reported this was not remotely accurate, nor would the conspiracy theory angle on this story make any practical sense.
  - jazzyjackson 6y ago
    Sorry, what's not practical about Google increasing their location accuracy for the benefit of both the consumer and the government?
    - square_usual 6y ago
      The second link isn't about that, it's about Google stealing information from insecure WiFi using Street View vehicles.
  - 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
    Is there a solid source on what was actually collected?
    - divbzero 6y ago
      Google’s official statement admitted to collecting payload data from unsecured WiFi networks but said it was a mistake from including a library with extraneous code. [1] The statement also linked to a third-party analysis of the relevant code which concluded: [2] “Gslite is an executable program that captures, parses, and writes to disk 802.11 wireless frame data. In particular, it parses all frame header data and associates it with its GPS coordinates for easy storage and use in mapping network locations. The program does not analyze or parse the body of Data frames, which contain user content. The data in the Data frame body passes through memory and is written to disk in unparsed format if the frame is sent over an unencrypted wireless network, and is discarded if the frame is sent over an encrypted network.” [1]: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/wifi-data-collection-update.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/wifi-data-collection... [2]: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en//googleblogs/pdfs/friedberg_sourcecode_analysis_060910.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en...
- cookiengineer 6y ago
  Remember the Google I/O when the presentation included a mom waiting in a queue inside a park ride and maps calculated that it's enough time to have another ride and then go somewhere else? This was the moment I got afraid of every single Android device that's already on the market, sniffing around for everything they can find. If private people do this, they get jailed. If google does it, nobody gives a damn about it. There is no privacy, as everybody around you is compromising it without themselves knowing.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
  Correction: Keyhole became Google Earth. (Fun fact: the K in KML is Keyhole.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#History Google Maps stems from an Australian company called Where2, which AFAIK was not funded by spooks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Acquisitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Acquisitions
  - cpeterso 6y ago
    More history about Google's mapping products is available in Bill Kilday's book "Never Lost Again: The Google Mapping Revolution That Sparked New Industries and Augmented Our Reality". Kilday was a founder at Keyhole, the startup acquired by Google to become Google Earth.
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  > Maps was caught wardriving [2] with Google Streetview, linking Wifi access point names to physical locations early on. After getting caught, they settled for $13 Million last year. The issue was that they captured data from open APs, and that collection of data was deemed illegal wiretapping. The mapping of WiFi networks to physical locations was not.
qppo 6y ago
JEDI has been headline news on CNBC for the last year. DARPA has numerous highly public initiatives and partnerships with SV darlings. Working with the DoD is almost never a secret, it just isn't sexy. The government didn't create Silicon Valley, Robert Noyce and the rest of the Traitorous 8 did. They did however bankroll semiconductor fabs here and in Texas for a few years but the world is better for it.
CyanBird 6y ago
> I have no evidence I mean, there are several books about it such as Surveillance Valley, or these two sister pieces https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo... https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1 https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-...
cblconfederate 6y ago
well why wouldn't they? Every government would love to have silicon valley. The question is why the rest of the world blindly trusts the narrative about data security
scottlocklin 6y ago
I have evidence: I used to date a couple of CEO secretaries, and they always told me when the spooks came to town. Often. And a lot of companies where you think to yourself "gee, that's pretty weird, why would they be interested there."

propogandist 6y ago

Google bought Keyhole (now Google Maps) from In-Q-Tel, the CIA's VC firm [1] -- this was when Eric Schmidt was CEO. Maps was caught wardriving [2] with Google Streetview, linking Wifi access point names to physical locations early on. After getting caught, they settled for $13 Million last year. Now Google Maps and even location services on all Android devices uses wifi scanning and bluetooth scanning as part of location triangulation. This is a constantly updating map of every SSID in existance, including unique radio devices in a given location. Eric Schmidt, former CEO of Google, now heads up the DoD's advisory board on new technology [3] [1] https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/tech/google-street-view-privacy-lawsuit-settlement/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/22/tech/google-street-view-priva... [3] https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2016/03/02/google-executive-schmidt-to-head-new-dod-advisory-board/ https://www.defensenews.com/industry/techwatch/2016/03/02/go... ||| https://innovation.defense.gov/Media/Biographies/Bio-Display/Article/1377390/dr-eric-schmidt/ https://innovation.defense.gov/Media/Biographies/Bio-Display...

sitkack 6y ago
Schmidt also _visited_ Assange, https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447 https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-27...
birdyrooster 6y ago
Allegedly, Schmidt also games politics, albeit unsuccessfully, he spent millions on The Groundwork trying to prop up Hillary's 2016 campaign only charging them ~$700k (at one point they had 70 SWE/SRE on staff with most focusing on her campaign's needs for an entire year, they were only a couple blocks away in NYC from Hillary HQ). The company he invested in, Timshel, folded the same year as Hillary lost the election. I'd bet anyone money he wrote off his illegal in-kind contributions as 1099 losses. Check out his emails with Robby Mook.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Coincidentally, it was his daughter who pushed for Cambridge Analytica's parent company to connect with Palantir while she was an intern.
wololo 6y ago
Regarding [2], the sensationalized, alarmist way the media reported this was not remotely accurate, nor would the conspiracy theory angle on this story make any practical sense.
- jazzyjackson 6y ago
  Sorry, what's not practical about Google increasing their location accuracy for the benefit of both the consumer and the government?
  - square_usual 6y ago
    The second link isn't about that, it's about Google stealing information from insecure WiFi using Street View vehicles.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
  Is there a solid source on what was actually collected?
  - divbzero 6y ago
    Google’s official statement admitted to collecting payload data from unsecured WiFi networks but said it was a mistake from including a library with extraneous code. [1] The statement also linked to a third-party analysis of the relevant code which concluded: [2] “Gslite is an executable program that captures, parses, and writes to disk 802.11 wireless frame data. In particular, it parses all frame header data and associates it with its GPS coordinates for easy storage and use in mapping network locations. The program does not analyze or parse the body of Data frames, which contain user content. The data in the Data frame body passes through memory and is written to disk in unparsed format if the frame is sent over an unencrypted wireless network, and is discarded if the frame is sent over an encrypted network.” [1]: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/wifi-data-collection-update.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/wifi-data-collection... [2]: https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en//googleblogs/pdfs/friedberg_sourcecode_analysis_060910.pdf https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.google.com/en...
cookiengineer 6y ago
Remember the Google I/O when the presentation included a mom waiting in a queue inside a park ride and maps calculated that it's enough time to have another ride and then go somewhere else? This was the moment I got afraid of every single Android device that's already on the market, sniffing around for everything they can find. If private people do this, they get jailed. If google does it, nobody gives a damn about it. There is no privacy, as everybody around you is compromising it without themselves knowing.
9nGQluzmnq3M 6y ago
Correction: Keyhole became Google Earth. (Fun fact: the K in KML is Keyhole.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Earth#History Google Maps stems from an Australian company called Where2, which AFAIK was not funded by spooks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Acquisitions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps#Acquisitions
- cpeterso 6y ago
  More history about Google's mapping products is available in Bill Kilday's book "Never Lost Again: The Google Mapping Revolution That Sparked New Industries and Augmented Our Reality". Kilday was a founder at Keyhole, the startup acquired by Google to become Google Earth.
oarsinsync 6y ago
> Maps was caught wardriving [2] with Google Streetview, linking Wifi access point names to physical locations early on. After getting caught, they settled for $13 Million last year. The issue was that they captured data from open APs, and that collection of data was deemed illegal wiretapping. The mapping of WiFi networks to physical locations was not.

qppo 6y ago

JEDI has been headline news on CNBC for the last year. DARPA has numerous highly public initiatives and partnerships with SV darlings. Working with the DoD is almost never a secret, it just isn't sexy. The government didn't create Silicon Valley, Robert Noyce and the rest of the Traitorous 8 did. They did however bankroll semiconductor fabs here and in Texas for a few years but the world is better for it.

CyanBird 6y ago

> I have no evidence I mean, there are several books about it such as Surveillance Valley, or these two sister pieces https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-google-e836451a959e https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo... https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-nsa-2a80584c9c1 https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/why-google-made-the-...

cblconfederate 6y ago

well why wouldn't they? Every government would love to have silicon valley. The question is why the rest of the world blindly trusts the narrative about data security

scottlocklin 6y ago

I have evidence: I used to date a couple of CEO secretaries, and they always told me when the spooks came to town. Often. And a lot of companies where you think to yourself "gee, that's pretty weird, why would they be interested there."