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oh man people assume they aren't fighting the consoles clearly have not read the lawsuits themselves epic is proposing a 12% rate to all the stores and asked G

oh man people assume they aren't fighting the consoles clearly have not read the lawsuits themselves epic is proposing a 12% rate to all the stores and asked Google for it as well, they have fought playstation policies against crossplay and won in the past.

dmitriid 6y ago
> epic is proposing a 12% rate to all the stores and asked Google for it as well "All stores" as in "actually all stores" or "Apple Store and Google Play Store only"? Their entire "fight" is very much targeted, and consoles (which are Epic's key partners) are not really targeted. Moreover, Epic goes out of its way to define consoles as something else.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  To those who are downvoting, here's Epic's CEO on consoles: --- start quotes --- “The 30 per cent store tax is a high cost in a world where game developers’ 70 per cent must cover all the cost of developing, operating, and supporting their games,” he explains. “There’s a rationale for this on console where there’s enormous investment in hardware, often sold below cost, and marketing campaigns in broad partnership with publishers. But on open platforms, 30 per cent is disproportionate to the cost of the services these stores perform, such as payment processing, download bandwidth, and customer service.” [1] "Consoles are unique in that the hardware is sold at or below the cost of manufacturing, and is subsidized by software sales, whereas iOS and Android are insanely profitable for Apple and Google from just hardware sales and ads." [2] --- end quotes --- Regardless of your opinion on 30% cuts in AppStore and Play Store, these are some really shoddy arguments. [1] 2018, https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-31-30-percent-store-tax-is-a-high-cost-says-sweeney-as-fortnite-skips-google-play https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-31-30-percent... [2] 2020, https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1273276548569841667 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/127327654856984166...
  - imtringued 6y ago
    The reality is that you're not paying the 30% cut for nothing. Companies actually thought hard about how much they should charge and what they provide in return. Consoles will become more expensive but games will cost $60. Payment processing fees have to be passed onto the customer. Your $0.99 game with 30% cut is now a $1.30 game because of credit card fees. No more Steam cards at retailers.
    - dmitriid 6y ago
      > Consoles will become more expensive but games will cost $60. Payment processing fees have to be passed onto the customer. Your $0.99 game with 30% cut is now a $1.30 game because of credit card fees. No more Steam cards at retailers. All these statements require hard proof. Additionally, "you already earn more money than I'd like" is not exactly a valid case to make against a cut.
sosborn 6y ago
That would make this super interesting: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/9/21318978/sony-epic-games-fortnite-investment-250-million-game-development https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/9/21318978/sony-epic-games-f...

dmitriid 6y ago

> epic is proposing a 12% rate to all the stores and asked Google for it as well "All stores" as in "actually all stores" or "Apple Store and Google Play Store only"? Their entire "fight" is very much targeted, and consoles (which are Epic's key partners) are not really targeted. Moreover, Epic goes out of its way to define consoles as something else.

dmitriid 6y ago
To those who are downvoting, here's Epic's CEO on consoles: --- start quotes --- “The 30 per cent store tax is a high cost in a world where game developers’ 70 per cent must cover all the cost of developing, operating, and supporting their games,” he explains. “There’s a rationale for this on console where there’s enormous investment in hardware, often sold below cost, and marketing campaigns in broad partnership with publishers. But on open platforms, 30 per cent is disproportionate to the cost of the services these stores perform, such as payment processing, download bandwidth, and customer service.” [1] "Consoles are unique in that the hardware is sold at or below the cost of manufacturing, and is subsidized by software sales, whereas iOS and Android are insanely profitable for Apple and Google from just hardware sales and ads." [2] --- end quotes --- Regardless of your opinion on 30% cuts in AppStore and Play Store, these are some really shoddy arguments. [1] 2018, https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-31-30-percent-store-tax-is-a-high-cost-says-sweeney-as-fortnite-skips-google-play https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2018-07-31-30-percent... [2] 2020, https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/1273276548569841667 https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/127327654856984166...
- imtringued 6y ago
  The reality is that you're not paying the 30% cut for nothing. Companies actually thought hard about how much they should charge and what they provide in return. Consoles will become more expensive but games will cost $60. Payment processing fees have to be passed onto the customer. Your $0.99 game with 30% cut is now a $1.30 game because of credit card fees. No more Steam cards at retailers.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    > Consoles will become more expensive but games will cost $60. Payment processing fees have to be passed onto the customer. Your $0.99 game with 30% cut is now a $1.30 game because of credit card fees. No more Steam cards at retailers. All these statements require hard proof. Additionally, "you already earn more money than I'd like" is not exactly a valid case to make against a cut.

sosborn 6y ago

That would make this super interesting: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/9/21318978/sony-epic-games-fortnite-investment-250-million-game-development https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/9/21318978/sony-epic-games-f...