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> Epic isn't fighting for the little guy Nobody is fighting for the little guy, but this is still advantageous for the consumer. Apple is even fighting with Fa

> Epic isn't fighting for the little guy Nobody is fighting for the little guy, but this is still advantageous for the consumer. Apple is even fighting with Facebook, since you are forbidden to disclose the 30% cut with consumers.

oefrha 6y ago
If Epic’s PC store is any indication, consumers will eventually have to face bullshit exclusives that force them to use the Epic store and largely cost the exact same.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  I don't see that as a downside to Epic . Some games on their storefront are exclusives and ones that are available elsewhere often have the same price?* Isn't that an argument to get rid of the App store? EVERY game there is exclusive- there's no other way to buy it for iOS. And it's a bit tautological, but games on the App Store will never be able to undercut prices of competing stores on the platform because there aren't any. *btw I don't totally agree with the implication. Even though many games cost the same as Steam, many of them also don't. Even if only a subset of games is cheaper on Epic, that's a win for consumers.
- jonny_eh 6y ago
  > bullshit exclusives Who cares if you have to open a different megacorp's launcher?
scarface74 6y ago
Name one retailer who would let me sell in their store and advertise either that you can buy it somewhere cheaper or allow me to tell the consumer what the retailer’s markup is - in their store?
- bmarquez 6y ago
  Arizona Iced Tea...haven't bought it lately but they used to put 99 cents on the packaging. In some places like liquor stores, I've seen it sold for over 99 cents. Also, the comparison between Apple and retail isn't fair. If Walmart doesn't want your product, you can sell to Target. If Apple doesn't want your software product, you have no alternative.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Now try that in Walmart, GameStop, Best Buy, or any other major retailer. Have you also noticed that the same goods even where it is allowed is sometimes marked at a different price? Do you think that the marked price does not already include the retailers markup? Sure you have an alternative - Android. Just like back in the day, Nintendo refused to allow certain types of games.
    - bmarquez 6y ago
      > Sure you have an alternative - Android. iOS has 52% marketshare in the US. If over half of Americans are locked out of your product, that's not much of an alternative. Continuing your retail analogy, you can drive to Target, Walmart, Best Buy without any hassles, but making your customers switch from iOS to Android has significant friction. And Android lets your sideload even if Google doesn't like your app. https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held...
      - scarface74 6y ago
        But that’s not the case here is it? Apple didn’t refuse to allow Epic in their store - not even after the lawsuit. They said they are allowed back in the store if they remove their in app payments. Just like every other console maker and retailer has rules. Epic tried bypassing the Play Store. How did that work out?

oefrha 6y ago

If Epic’s PC store is any indication, consumers will eventually have to face bullshit exclusives that force them to use the Epic store and largely cost the exact same.

Rebelgecko 6y ago
I don't see that as a downside to Epic . Some games on their storefront are exclusives and ones that are available elsewhere often have the same price?* Isn't that an argument to get rid of the App store? EVERY game there is exclusive- there's no other way to buy it for iOS. And it's a bit tautological, but games on the App Store will never be able to undercut prices of competing stores on the platform because there aren't any. *btw I don't totally agree with the implication. Even though many games cost the same as Steam, many of them also don't. Even if only a subset of games is cheaper on Epic, that's a win for consumers.
jonny_eh 6y ago
> bullshit exclusives Who cares if you have to open a different megacorp's launcher?

scarface74 6y ago

Name one retailer who would let me sell in their store and advertise either that you can buy it somewhere cheaper or allow me to tell the consumer what the retailer’s markup is - in their store?

bmarquez 6y ago
Arizona Iced Tea...haven't bought it lately but they used to put 99 cents on the packaging. In some places like liquor stores, I've seen it sold for over 99 cents. Also, the comparison between Apple and retail isn't fair. If Walmart doesn't want your product, you can sell to Target. If Apple doesn't want your software product, you have no alternative.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Now try that in Walmart, GameStop, Best Buy, or any other major retailer. Have you also noticed that the same goods even where it is allowed is sometimes marked at a different price? Do you think that the marked price does not already include the retailers markup? Sure you have an alternative - Android. Just like back in the day, Nintendo refused to allow certain types of games.
  - bmarquez 6y ago
    > Sure you have an alternative - Android. iOS has 52% marketshare in the US. If over half of Americans are locked out of your product, that's not much of an alternative. Continuing your retail analogy, you can drive to Target, Walmart, Best Buy without any hassles, but making your customers switch from iOS to Android has significant friction. And Android lets your sideload even if Google doesn't like your app. https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held-by-smartphone-platforms-in-the-united-states/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/266572/market-share-held...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      But that’s not the case here is it? Apple didn’t refuse to allow Epic in their store - not even after the lawsuit. They said they are allowed back in the store if they remove their in app payments. Just like every other console maker and retailer has rules. Epic tried bypassing the Play Store. How did that work out?