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As with everything, no one really likes change, even when it is hands down an improvement. So you have to give it some time I think. I didn't like it at first,

by duck 16y ago

As with everything, no one really likes change, even when it is hands down an improvement. So you have to give it some time I think. I didn't like it at first, but I know it has changed how I vote/use comments now and I have a feeling in another week or so I will love it just like I did the old way. I do think that scores should show after a 24-48 hour window though, but I pretty sure PG just made this change the simplest way possible and will fix that in the future if he ends up thinking this improves things.

divtxt 16y ago
Scores were an important way for me to learn what constitutes a good comment. I realized this only after the scores went away. So I second the idea of showing the score for older articles. (or a fuzzy indicator of the score e.g. @=2-5, @@=6-10 etc) edit: use @ because stars were being escaped
- duck 16y ago
  What is a good comment though? I think our minds can be tricked that something is good just by a high score. I'm liking this new way as it makes me actually think about the comments more and I determine if it is good or not. This probably ends up taking more "time", but maybe it is worth more.
  - divtxt 16y ago
    You're right - I should be thinking and deciding for myself. But if judging the value of a comment requires expertise or experience that I do not have the score is valuable to me. This is more so when I see a comment and a counter-argument. And if I wrote the parent, a high-scoring reply would make reconsider my position.
pbhjpbhj 16y ago
>"no one really likes change" I find that a bit of a lame aphorism. Especially in a forum rife with entrepreneurs I'd expect this to be demonstrably incorrect. Personally I love [some] change, I hate having things the same every day. That said not all change is good. Your claim in your first sentence sounds like petitio principii and internal contradiction all in one: clearly you think this change is good (contradicts 'no one'), 'no one really likes this even though it's an improvement' (assuming the conclusion, ie petitio principii, though you can weedle out of this objection by claiming it is a presentation of personal opinion). >"So you have to give it some time I think." I gave it a couple of days of moderate use.
- duck 16y ago
  I'm not going to pull out the dictionary, but I think we are both right. I actually love change when it is for the better and I think you're right, as entrepreneurs we are always seeking to undo the norm... but the moment something changes that you have no control of, most people are left unsettled for X amount of time. Even us.

by duck 16y ago

divtxt 16y ago

Scores were an important way for me to learn what constitutes a good comment. I realized this only after the scores went away. So I second the idea of showing the score for older articles. (or a fuzzy indicator of the score e.g. @=2-5, @@=6-10 etc) edit: use @ because stars were being escaped

duck 16y ago
What is a good comment though? I think our minds can be tricked that something is good just by a high score. I'm liking this new way as it makes me actually think about the comments more and I determine if it is good or not. This probably ends up taking more "time", but maybe it is worth more.
- divtxt 16y ago
  You're right - I should be thinking and deciding for myself. But if judging the value of a comment requires expertise or experience that I do not have the score is valuable to me. This is more so when I see a comment and a counter-argument. And if I wrote the parent, a high-scoring reply would make reconsider my position.

pbhjpbhj 16y ago

>"no one really likes change" I find that a bit of a lame aphorism. Especially in a forum rife with entrepreneurs I'd expect this to be demonstrably incorrect. Personally I love [some] change, I hate having things the same every day. That said not all change is good. Your claim in your first sentence sounds like petitio principii and internal contradiction all in one: clearly you think this change is good (contradicts 'no one'), 'no one really likes this even though it's an improvement' (assuming the conclusion, ie petitio principii, though you can weedle out of this objection by claiming it is a presentation of personal opinion). >"So you have to give it some time I think." I gave it a couple of days of moderate use.

duck 16y ago
I'm not going to pull out the dictionary, but I think we are both right. I actually love change when it is for the better and I think you're right, as entrepreneurs we are always seeking to undo the norm... but the moment something changes that you have no control of, most people are left unsettled for X amount of time. Even us.