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I’m going to tell you a secret that maybe you don’t understand - these tomatoes will be exported to another country and then imported to the US minus the extra

I’m going to tell you a secret that maybe you don’t understand - these tomatoes will be exported to another country and then imported to the US minus the extra costs.

jtdev 6y ago
Another good reason to buy local produce and demand to know country of origin/manufacture before buying things... vote with your wallet.
- gpm 6y ago
  That might be possible with tomatoes, that you buy in stores. Frustratingly it's basically impossible with everything bought online these days. Trying to figure out whether, say, a hdmi cord sold on Amazon came from Taiwan or China is practically impossible.
  - maxwell 6y ago
    Hence the need for the U.S. to adopt country of origin requirements for ecommerce like India. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must-state-country-of-origin-says-centre/article32166176.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must...
    - actuator 6y ago
      Certainly seems like a pro consumer move but has there been any impact of this on sales of these products. Consumers will buy something that gives them good value at a cheap price. For a lot of products it is not even the cost factor, like mechanical keyboards. Somehow the best ones are either brands from there itself like Varmilo or made there like Leopold.
      - gpm 6y ago
        I certainly know people who buy based on location, but I don't know if it's a large enough portion of the market to matter.
lightgreen 6y ago
That extra cost might make tomato exporting to the US unprofitable. > I’m going to tell you a secret It is not a secret, and people working in US government agencies are not stupid, they know about this scheme and a thousand others.
- tehjoker 6y ago
  They also know how to ship cocaine in CIA aircraft and have US soldiers defend poppy fields to pay for illegal wars and black ops too. https://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053 https://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-p...
- ospider 6y ago
  It's just a funny way to say. You're killing the humor here.
  - maest 6y ago
    Being patronising is hardly humorous.
nickff 6y ago
Tomatoes are definitely fungible, but they're unlikely to be trans-shipped as you describe. The strategy you described was used to 'launder' metals through Canada, and the USA caught on, then applied tariffs against Canada.
rdtwo 6y ago
They will just get canned elsewhere relabeled and sent here. People are thinking fresh tomatoes where most likely these are used to make ketchup or tomato sauce
jmclnx 6y ago
Another one -- How will anyone know where in China the imports are from ? I am sure our imports from Manchuria will increase. What is stopping China from hiding the source. The ban should be from all of China, singling out one region will do nothing.
jlmorton 6y ago
I'm going to tell you a secret that maybe you don't understand - unless the third party country is turning the tomatoes into pasta sauce, that would be an illegal diversion through transshipment. This is among the sort of thing the Commerce Department watches for, and they will seize the entire shipment. Now, I don't know how seriously they're going to police tomatoes, but it's certainly not as simple as making a stop over in Manila. In the case of sanctions against Iran, the monitoring includes not just tracking AIS transponders, and satellite surveillance, but actual naval groups in the Persian Gulf.

I’m going to tell you a secret that maybe you don’t understand - these tomatoes will be exported to another country and then imported to the US minus the extra costs.

jtdev 6y ago

Another good reason to buy local produce and demand to know country of origin/manufacture before buying things... vote with your wallet.

gpm 6y ago
That might be possible with tomatoes, that you buy in stores. Frustratingly it's basically impossible with everything bought online these days. Trying to figure out whether, say, a hdmi cord sold on Amazon came from Taiwan or China is practically impossible.
- maxwell 6y ago
  Hence the need for the U.S. to adopt country of origin requirements for ecommerce like India. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must-state-country-of-origin-says-centre/article32166176.ece https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/e-commerce-sites-must...
  - actuator 6y ago
    Certainly seems like a pro consumer move but has there been any impact of this on sales of these products. Consumers will buy something that gives them good value at a cheap price. For a lot of products it is not even the cost factor, like mechanical keyboards. Somehow the best ones are either brands from there itself like Varmilo or made there like Leopold.
    - gpm 6y ago
      I certainly know people who buy based on location, but I don't know if it's a large enough portion of the market to matter.

lightgreen 6y ago

That extra cost might make tomato exporting to the US unprofitable. > I’m going to tell you a secret It is not a secret, and people working in US government agencies are not stupid, they know about this scheme and a thousand others.

tehjoker 6y ago
They also know how to ship cocaine in CIA aircraft and have US soldiers defend poppy fields to pay for illegal wars and black ops too. https://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053 https://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-p...
ospider 6y ago
It's just a funny way to say. You're killing the humor here.
- maest 6y ago
  Being patronising is hardly humorous.

nickff 6y ago

Tomatoes are definitely fungible, but they're unlikely to be trans-shipped as you describe. The strategy you described was used to 'launder' metals through Canada, and the USA caught on, then applied tariffs against Canada.

rdtwo 6y ago

They will just get canned elsewhere relabeled and sent here. People are thinking fresh tomatoes where most likely these are used to make ketchup or tomato sauce

jmclnx 6y ago

Another one -- How will anyone know where in China the imports are from ? I am sure our imports from Manchuria will increase. What is stopping China from hiding the source. The ban should be from all of China, singling out one region will do nothing.

jlmorton 6y ago

I'm going to tell you a secret that maybe you don't understand - unless the third party country is turning the tomatoes into pasta sauce, that would be an illegal diversion through transshipment. This is among the sort of thing the Commerce Department watches for, and they will seize the entire shipment. Now, I don't know how seriously they're going to police tomatoes, but it's certainly not as simple as making a stop over in Manila. In the case of sanctions against Iran, the monitoring includes not just tracking AIS transponders, and satellite surveillance, but actual naval groups in the Persian Gulf.