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Meanwhile, Russia just today announced it is starting the release of the first batch of its own vaccine to the public. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/s

Meanwhile, Russia just today announced it is starting the release of the first batch of its own vaccine to the public. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/sputnik-russia-coronavirus-vaccine-200813070859021.html https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/08/sputnik-russia-corona...

samatman 6y ago
Correct, and this announcement is, among other things, a response to that.
ConsiderCrying 6y ago
Not sure why this got downvoted, it's not like the person is endorsing Russia's decision. I'm highly skeptical a country that refused to go on lockdown and underreported cases would make a safe vaccine faster than the rest of the world.
- DenisM 6y ago
  > country that refused to go on lockdown What? Moscow lockdowns were some of the harshest outside East Asia.
  - orwin 6y ago
    I think grandparent meant "refused to go on lockdown on time". I have contacts in khazan ( not sure if orthographied correctly), the harsh lockdowns were due to a miscomprehension of the word "exponential growth" and overused hospitals.
    - c6401 6y ago
      >refused to go on lockdown on time Not sure if there was a definitive understanding when it was on time. As far as I remember, lockdown in Moscow started on March 23.
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avaika 6y ago
Well. As of now the Russian vaccine doesn't look like a trustworthy solution. Recently Russians published article in The lancet [1], but scientists who read this have a lot of questions. Especially on data consistency. They even published open letter to head of vaccine research Denis Logunov with open questions [2]. According to first reaction by Denis Logunov (don't have a link on this) the open letter doesn't worth to answer. Unless The lancet asks to react. imho: It actually shouldn't be a surprise that if the government is corrupted, the other governmental institutions most likely do not function well either. This research center is a governmental institution. And might be interested and involved in some political games as well. [1]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... [2]: https://cattiviscienziati.com/2020/09/07/note-of-concern/ https://cattiviscienziati.com/2020/09/07/note-of-concern/ upd: formatting
- crx07 6y ago
  This is nonsense -- I'm at high risk, and I'd take a flight to Russia right now to get a dose of Sputnik V if I knew I wouldn't catch COVID-19 on the trip. Those grandstanding against these vaccines in the name of safety should know that they're directly responsible for deaths, and what's about to happen is we will just end up with a candidate from the least scrupulous manufacturer, because data are easy to manipulate and there's a lot of money on the line. I'd almost guarantee that this announcement means we've just traded a stable delivery platform for one of the mRNA candidates with risks that may be unknowable potentially for decades. I'm a progressive and I get it that everything Trump does is necessarily frustrating, but whoever politicized this in response to his November 1st deadline should be ashamed, including whoever started the pledge that some of these companies signed today.
  - MCOfficer 6y ago
    [Speaking as non-high-risk person,] I'd trust scientists to define when a vaccine is safe. The pledge is a politic action, but is explicitly against politic influence.
  - elorant 6y ago

samatman 6y ago

Correct, and this announcement is, among other things, a response to that.

ConsiderCrying 6y ago

Not sure why this got downvoted, it's not like the person is endorsing Russia's decision. I'm highly skeptical a country that refused to go on lockdown and underreported cases would make a safe vaccine faster than the rest of the world.

DenisM 6y ago
> country that refused to go on lockdown What? Moscow lockdowns were some of the harshest outside East Asia.
- orwin 6y ago
  I think grandparent meant "refused to go on lockdown on time". I have contacts in khazan ( not sure if orthographied correctly), the harsh lockdowns were due to a miscomprehension of the word "exponential growth" and overused hospitals.
  - c6401 6y ago
    >refused to go on lockdown on time Not sure if there was a definitive understanding when it was on time. As far as I remember, lockdown in Moscow started on March 23.

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avaika 6y ago

Well. As of now the Russian vaccine doesn't look like a trustworthy solution. Recently Russians published article in The lancet [1], but scientists who read this have a lot of questions. Especially on data consistency. They even published open letter to head of vaccine research Denis Logunov with open questions [2]. According to first reaction by Denis Logunov (don't have a link on this) the open letter doesn't worth to answer. Unless The lancet asks to react. imho: It actually shouldn't be a surprise that if the government is corrupted, the other governmental institutions most likely do not function well either. This research center is a governmental institution. And might be interested and involved in some political games as well. [1]: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... [2]: https://cattiviscienziati.com/2020/09/07/note-of-concern/ https://cattiviscienziati.com/2020/09/07/note-of-concern/ upd: formatting

crx07 6y ago
This is nonsense -- I'm at high risk, and I'd take a flight to Russia right now to get a dose of Sputnik V if I knew I wouldn't catch COVID-19 on the trip. Those grandstanding against these vaccines in the name of safety should know that they're directly responsible for deaths, and what's about to happen is we will just end up with a candidate from the least scrupulous manufacturer, because data are easy to manipulate and there's a lot of money on the line. I'd almost guarantee that this announcement means we've just traded a stable delivery platform for one of the mRNA candidates with risks that may be unknowable potentially for decades. I'm a progressive and I get it that everything Trump does is necessarily frustrating, but whoever politicized this in response to his November 1st deadline should be ashamed, including whoever started the pledge that some of these companies signed today.
- MCOfficer 6y ago
  [Speaking as non-high-risk person,] I'd trust scientists to define when a vaccine is safe. The pledge is a politic action, but is explicitly against politic influence.
- elorant 6y ago