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You can read a different take here: https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/09/07/the-us-government-formed-a-new-understanding-of-wikileaks-after-2016/ https://www.empt

You can read a different take here: https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/09/07/the-us-government-formed-a-new-understanding-of-wikileaks-after-2016/ https://www.emptywheel.net/2020/09/07/the-us-government-form... (edited to remove editorializing)

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
That "nuanced take" takes some really outrageous positions, such as agreeing with Pompeo's description of WikiLeaks as a hostile, non-state intelligence agency. Intelligence agencies aren't in the business of publishing documents for the public. They're in the business of collecting documents for their own governments.
- peu4000 6y ago
  Russia, almost certainly, used Wikileaks to dump hacked documents in order to influence the 2016 election. The CIA is also accused of hack and dump operations more recently -- welcome to the 21st century.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    If what you're claiming is true, how is that even a problem? The documents were of interest to the public, so WikiLeaks was right to publish them. They showed that the DNC was trying to kneecap Bernie Sanders' campaign. Should WikiLeaks have helped cover that up? News influences elections. There's nothing wrong with that.
raxxorrax 6y ago
It isn't a nuanced take at all. The supposed intelligence infrastructure targeting the US is not supported by evidence. Even mentioning Trump and hinting to alleged hypocrisy is pretty laughable and betray the author. > in addition, the allegations of involvement in Russia in all this are well-founded. The folks involved in the LulzSec chatrooms now incorporated into Assange’s CFAA charge acknowledge there were Russians there as well, though explain that the whole thing was so chaotic [...] Unsensible. We may find law and you can nail him on intricacies of it and extradite him, but I doubt it leads to justice for showing evidence of an illegal war of aggression. He basically just released info to the public. If that is a crime, the judiciary might be in deep trouble indeed.
- MisterBastahrd 6y ago
  One of the two of you is an expert in this field. It ain't you.
  - raxxorrax 6y ago
    Didn't like the Russia story even though I am a fan of fantasy.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago

That "nuanced take" takes some really outrageous positions, such as agreeing with Pompeo's description of WikiLeaks as a hostile, non-state intelligence agency. Intelligence agencies aren't in the business of publishing documents for the public. They're in the business of collecting documents for their own governments.

peu4000 6y ago
Russia, almost certainly, used Wikileaks to dump hacked documents in order to influence the 2016 election. The CIA is also accused of hack and dump operations more recently -- welcome to the 21st century.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  If what you're claiming is true, how is that even a problem? The documents were of interest to the public, so WikiLeaks was right to publish them. They showed that the DNC was trying to kneecap Bernie Sanders' campaign. Should WikiLeaks have helped cover that up? News influences elections. There's nothing wrong with that.

raxxorrax 6y ago

It isn't a nuanced take at all. The supposed intelligence infrastructure targeting the US is not supported by evidence. Even mentioning Trump and hinting to alleged hypocrisy is pretty laughable and betray the author. > in addition, the allegations of involvement in Russia in all this are well-founded. The folks involved in the LulzSec chatrooms now incorporated into Assange’s CFAA charge acknowledge there were Russians there as well, though explain that the whole thing was so chaotic [...] Unsensible. We may find law and you can nail him on intricacies of it and extradite him, but I doubt it leads to justice for showing evidence of an illegal war of aggression. He basically just released info to the public. If that is a crime, the judiciary might be in deep trouble indeed.

MisterBastahrd 6y ago
One of the two of you is an expert in this field. It ain't you.
- raxxorrax 6y ago
  Didn't like the Russia story even though I am a fan of fantasy.