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If you have some to hand, links to examples of this extensive collection would substantially increase the utility of your comment.

by tome 6y ago

blame_lewis 6y ago
Googling for "julian assange paranoid" will give you some examples. I'm hesitant to point the finger at a specific example, because I wasn't thinking of one in particular.
throwaway810 6y ago
You don’t have to look too hard, though. Here’s one from 2017: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/821475382905991169 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/82147538290599116...
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  Some in the opsec community seem to have had particularly poor takes on the question of extradition: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/821766035401572352 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/821766035401572352
  - slim 6y ago
    most of the well known people among those guys have security clearances to be able to work with US gov. which means they are under obligation to report on a regular basis about the people they meet. which means we can say they are part of the "intelligence community" (or if we are less charitable we can call them snitches)
    - tome 6y ago
      > they are under obligation to report on a regular basis about the people they meet Intriguing. People with a security clearance are required to give intelligence reports about people they have contact with?
      - sterlind 6y ago
        If you have contact with an agent of a foreign power, you're required to report the encounter and what you talked about. I'm not really sure how agents, or contact, are defined. I think the law is intended to keep IC people honest and forthcoming about foreign attempts to turn people. (Disclaimer: I have never held a security clearance.)
dane-pgp 6y ago
Here's one from 2012: "The right does not have a monopoly on paranoia, as the conspiratorial fantasies of supporters of Julian Assange show. ... Greenwald argued that Assange was not a coward who dare not face his Swedish accusers but a true dissident, who was camping out in the Ecuadorean embassy because he had a genuine fear of persecution." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/nick-cohen-julian-assange-paranoia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/nick-c...
AndrewBissell 6y ago
Guardian journalist Charles Arthur in 2016: "No one is detaining Assange except himself." https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/787431124020625408 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/787431124020625408 "show me any reliable document anywhere that shows that anyone is detaining Assange in the Ecuadorean embassy." https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/794992629138288640 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/794992629138288640 (I always love arguments of the form 'Initiative X has never been publicized in an official government document, therefore it's paranoid conspiracy theorizing to suggest it exists based on any other evidence at hand.') Arthur even doubled down in January this year to insist he had not been wrong: https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1221173664579825666 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1221173664579825666

If you have some to hand, links to examples of this extensive collection would substantially increase the utility of your comment.

by tome 6y ago

If you have some to hand, links to examples of this extensive collection would substantially increase the utility of your comment.

blame_lewis 6y ago

Googling for "julian assange paranoid" will give you some examples. I'm hesitant to point the finger at a specific example, because I wasn't thinking of one in particular.

throwaway810 6y ago

You don’t have to look too hard, though. Here’s one from 2017: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/821475382905991169 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/82147538290599116...

AndrewBissell 6y ago
Some in the opsec community seem to have had particularly poor takes on the question of extradition: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/821766035401572352 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/821766035401572352
- slim 6y ago
  most of the well known people among those guys have security clearances to be able to work with US gov. which means they are under obligation to report on a regular basis about the people they meet. which means we can say they are part of the "intelligence community" (or if we are less charitable we can call them snitches)
  - tome 6y ago
    > they are under obligation to report on a regular basis about the people they meet Intriguing. People with a security clearance are required to give intelligence reports about people they have contact with?
    - sterlind 6y ago
      If you have contact with an agent of a foreign power, you're required to report the encounter and what you talked about. I'm not really sure how agents, or contact, are defined. I think the law is intended to keep IC people honest and forthcoming about foreign attempts to turn people. (Disclaimer: I have never held a security clearance.)

dane-pgp 6y ago

Here's one from 2012: "The right does not have a monopoly on paranoia, as the conspiratorial fantasies of supporters of Julian Assange show. ... Greenwald argued that Assange was not a coward who dare not face his Swedish accusers but a true dissident, who was camping out in the Ecuadorean embassy because he had a genuine fear of persecution." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/nick-cohen-julian-assange-paranoia https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jun/24/nick-c...

AndrewBissell 6y ago

Guardian journalist Charles Arthur in 2016: "No one is detaining Assange except himself." https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/787431124020625408 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/787431124020625408 "show me any reliable document anywhere that shows that anyone is detaining Assange in the Ecuadorean embassy." https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/794992629138288640 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/794992629138288640 (I always love arguments of the form 'Initiative X has never been publicized in an official government document, therefore it's paranoid conspiracy theorizing to suggest it exists based on any other evidence at hand.') Arthur even doubled down in January this year to insist he had not been wrong: https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1221173664579825666 https://twitter.com/charlesarthur/status/1221173664579825666