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What a joke, with all the energy US and their friends put into it and they still have to use such shameful tactics to block a fair trial. The already poor imag

What a joke, with all the energy US and their friends put into it and they still have to use such shameful tactics to block a fair trial. The already poor image of Western powers is getting even worse, the fucking "values" are shown to be just a propaganda, if you upset the leaders you don't get poisoned but you get a similar bad faith( honestly I think if Assange was in US we would have gotten the news that he committed suicide and for some reason the cameras did not work and the guards were busy ).

raxxorrax 6y ago
Overall it is a far, far greater threat to security than the necessary leak itself. Not only do governments and their judiciary look weak and hypocritical, they also actively undermine the trust in their own institutions. This fear to face these issues could really be the end of US hegemony.
- dane-pgp 6y ago
  The implicit excuse of the US during the Cold War was "It's okay if we break a few rules, because we're fighting against an opponent that is literally evil". That excuse starts to break down when the two sides become more and more similar, which might be what we're seeing now, but it's never a good situation to be in, even before it breaks down. See also, the internal US political scene.
wazoox 6y ago
We're firmly at the point where I strongly doubt that anything significant is actually happening in Xinjiang and Hong-Kong (compared to the general high level of repression and dictatorship in whole China -- I don't mean that China is a model in any way). Particularly in HK, the police repressive violence was for months at a significantly lower level than French police violence against the yellow vests (just to remind you that several thousands yellow vests were jailed, and a significant number still are on more or less dubious pretenses -- but Macron is a nice polite guy, and China is an adversary). Another funny story is this supposed "good guy" Navalny (I don't believe any funny story about him either). The guy declared himself "pro-western" and a Putin opponent, therefore he's always depicted as some sort of white knight or something. Check his political program: this guy is a xenophobic nationalist worse than Putin, he even planned to throw out all foreigners from Russia. As Roosevelt once said, "he's a bastard, but he's our bastard". Disgusting, and all of the mainstream media in the West (US lackeys?) harp on how bad Putin is and how cool Navalny is (did you notice that Putin apparently didn't move a finger to prevent Navalny from leaving Russia? How weird for someone he supposedly wanted dead a few days before). Last one for the road: did you hear that a Turkish lawyer, Ebru Timtik, died in jail recently in Turkey? She was on a hunger strike. But hey, Erdogan is "our bastard" so all is fine and dandy, I suppose.
- simion314 6y ago
  I recently learned that one reason(not the siongle or main one) Japan and the West is "forgetting" about Japan atrocities in Asia is because "democracies" don't want people to sympathize with communists, so we have a media full of information about what germans did but almost nothing about Japan. I am convinced that things are not great under communism in China but what does have West to offer ? you are free to call the president an idiot, and you sometimes can protest without fear but if you are the wrong race or poor the West is offering is less and less appealing , especially now that the Internet can show exactly the reality without a media/Holywood filter on top.
  - wazoox 6y ago
    Exactly. Remember when the Indonesian dictatorship massacred at least 500,000 (maybe as much as 3 millions) people in the 60s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... But Soekarno was "our bastard", so who cares.
stjohnswarts 6y ago
Right, in Russia or China he would have just disappeared. Save your judgement for the trial.

raxxorrax 6y ago

Overall it is a far, far greater threat to security than the necessary leak itself. Not only do governments and their judiciary look weak and hypocritical, they also actively undermine the trust in their own institutions. This fear to face these issues could really be the end of US hegemony.

dane-pgp 6y ago
The implicit excuse of the US during the Cold War was "It's okay if we break a few rules, because we're fighting against an opponent that is literally evil". That excuse starts to break down when the two sides become more and more similar, which might be what we're seeing now, but it's never a good situation to be in, even before it breaks down. See also, the internal US political scene.

wazoox 6y ago

We're firmly at the point where I strongly doubt that anything significant is actually happening in Xinjiang and Hong-Kong (compared to the general high level of repression and dictatorship in whole China -- I don't mean that China is a model in any way). Particularly in HK, the police repressive violence was for months at a significantly lower level than French police violence against the yellow vests (just to remind you that several thousands yellow vests were jailed, and a significant number still are on more or less dubious pretenses -- but Macron is a nice polite guy, and China is an adversary). Another funny story is this supposed "good guy" Navalny (I don't believe any funny story about him either). The guy declared himself "pro-western" and a Putin opponent, therefore he's always depicted as some sort of white knight or something. Check his political program: this guy is a xenophobic nationalist worse than Putin, he even planned to throw out all foreigners from Russia. As Roosevelt once said, "he's a bastard, but he's our bastard". Disgusting, and all of the mainstream media in the West (US lackeys?) harp on how bad Putin is and how cool Navalny is (did you notice that Putin apparently didn't move a finger to prevent Navalny from leaving Russia? How weird for someone he supposedly wanted dead a few days before). Last one for the road: did you hear that a Turkish lawyer, Ebru Timtik, died in jail recently in Turkey? She was on a hunger strike. But hey, Erdogan is "our bastard" so all is fine and dandy, I suppose.

simion314 6y ago
I recently learned that one reason(not the siongle or main one) Japan and the West is "forgetting" about Japan atrocities in Asia is because "democracies" don't want people to sympathize with communists, so we have a media full of information about what germans did but almost nothing about Japan. I am convinced that things are not great under communism in China but what does have West to offer ? you are free to call the president an idiot, and you sometimes can protest without fear but if you are the wrong race or poor the West is offering is less and less appealing , especially now that the Internet can show exactly the reality without a media/Holywood filter on top.
- wazoox 6y ago
  Exactly. Remember when the Indonesian dictatorship massacred at least 500,000 (maybe as much as 3 millions) people in the 60s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_19... But Soekarno was "our bastard", so who cares.

stjohnswarts 6y ago

Right, in Russia or China he would have just disappeared. Save your judgement for the trial.