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In my personal case it would be using the words « master » and « slave » when talking about interfacing databases

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throwaway9221 6y ago
Exactly. Or, say you're building some business logic and you need to make some exceptions for VIP partners. In times past, you would add these exceptions to a "whitelist" and have logic to check this list and apply the exception. Now, you need to be very careful to call this an "allowlist" lest the woke patrol pull you aside and warn you that your variable name is insensitive and non-inclusive. I wish I was joking.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  And there's generally no exception for old things. Like many products, ours almost never permits breaking API changes, but an exception was of course made (at significant cost) to strip out public facing fields named "whitelist".
- 8note 6y ago
  In theory white list means allow only these things, and black list means allow everything except these things. In practice, white list means these are good things, and black lists mean these are bad things. Allow and deny lists are much precise since they only have the one meaning
  - OJFord 6y ago
    And yet whatever the origin (I suspect nobody can seriously claim to definitely state the actual origin of such a term) its usage as such a list, not referring (necessarily, but indiscriminately so some might be!) to black people, dates back at least as far as the Restoration in 1660 England.
ploopop 6y ago
I'm surprised master/slave's the hill you want to die on - it's the one instance where the old terminology really is just bizarre jargon that's being replaced with words that are a direct, common-language description of what they do.
- gvjddbnvdrbv 6y ago
  What is the replacement word for master/slave? I genuinely don't know because this aspect of English newspeak hasn't made it to my country yet.
- vianneychevalie 6y ago
  I really don't want to die on this hill! It's an example of a behavior I'd engage in if the wokepatrol wasn't there. I don't even speak English at work, I speak French, and we commonly use the words "maître" and "esclave" in that instance. Whenever any work-environment friction will arise, I'll stop using those words for sure, I value my job more than I value terminology.

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Exactly. Or, say you're building some business logic and you need to make some exceptions for VIP partners. In times past, you would add these exceptions to a "whitelist" and have logic to check this list and apply the exception. Now, you need to be very careful to call this an "allowlist" lest the woke patrol pull you aside and warn you that your variable name is insensitive and non-inclusive. I wish I was joking.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
And there's generally no exception for old things. Like many products, ours almost never permits breaking API changes, but an exception was of course made (at significant cost) to strip out public facing fields named "whitelist".
8note 6y ago
In theory white list means allow only these things, and black list means allow everything except these things. In practice, white list means these are good things, and black lists mean these are bad things. Allow and deny lists are much precise since they only have the one meaning
- OJFord 6y ago
  And yet whatever the origin (I suspect nobody can seriously claim to definitely state the actual origin of such a term) its usage as such a list, not referring (necessarily, but indiscriminately so some might be!) to black people, dates back at least as far as the Restoration in 1660 England.

ploopop 6y ago

I'm surprised master/slave's the hill you want to die on - it's the one instance where the old terminology really is just bizarre jargon that's being replaced with words that are a direct, common-language description of what they do.

gvjddbnvdrbv 6y ago
What is the replacement word for master/slave? I genuinely don't know because this aspect of English newspeak hasn't made it to my country yet.
vianneychevalie 6y ago
I really don't want to die on this hill! It's an example of a behavior I'd engage in if the wokepatrol wasn't there. I don't even speak English at work, I speak French, and we commonly use the words "maître" and "esclave" in that instance. Whenever any work-environment friction will arise, I'll stop using those words for sure, I value my job more than I value terminology.