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Sorry I have not been precise. Ukraine was not part of Russia, but under Russian influence. And Ukraine in very important for Russia (ans Belarus share this sam

Sorry I have not been precise. Ukraine was not part of Russia, but under Russian influence. And Ukraine in very important for Russia (ans Belarus share this same characteristics) as this gives access to Russia's core, without natural barriers...

RealityVoid 6y ago
Frankly, this whole "gives access to Russia's core, without natural barriers" is ridiculous. I'm not saying that having the geopoliticsl wheels turn is not possible, but Russia has absolutely no expansionist neighbors and I seriously doubt there had been anyone in the last, oh, 30 years, that wanted to invade Russia. Overall, the current pose of Russia is of its own doing.
- skitout 6y ago
  30 years in geopolitics and in history is nothing... And I guess many Russian would feel the West, NATO, USA had been expansionist, as they "aggressively" expand their area of influence (colored revolution being one tactic) in Russia backyard, at the expense of Russia and Russian influence...
  - takeda 6y ago
    That's strange way to put it, when the European countries typically fight to join NATO. In that region no one trusts Russia, and they want to be part of NATO to increase their chances of not being invaded. In fact Ukraine was on track to join it, exactly because they were afraid of Russia.
    - skitout 6y ago
      Well, it make total sense that for example Poland wanted to join NATO. Still, this move was certainly seen as a expansionist and threatening move by the Russian. And the fact the West seems to had informally committed to not enlarge NATO to the East [1] [2] makes the offense worse. And then Poland was not just a lambda NATO country, but a country where USA and NATO actively put a lot of resources that seem threatening in a Russian point of view. If you add to that the "colored revolutions", well, it is clear that the West "actively" "attacked" Russia's zone of influence. Not saying it is good or bad, just trying to describe what happened. [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#German_reunification_and_relations_with_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#German_reu...
- vbezhenar 6y ago
  NATO will invade Russia overnight given the chance. That’s for sure. Russia is one of major threats to US existence.
  - dctoedt 6y ago
    > NATO will invade Russia overnight given the chance. Source?

RealityVoid 6y ago

Frankly, this whole "gives access to Russia's core, without natural barriers" is ridiculous. I'm not saying that having the geopoliticsl wheels turn is not possible, but Russia has absolutely no expansionist neighbors and I seriously doubt there had been anyone in the last, oh, 30 years, that wanted to invade Russia. Overall, the current pose of Russia is of its own doing.

skitout 6y ago
30 years in geopolitics and in history is nothing... And I guess many Russian would feel the West, NATO, USA had been expansionist, as they "aggressively" expand their area of influence (colored revolution being one tactic) in Russia backyard, at the expense of Russia and Russian influence...
- takeda 6y ago
  That's strange way to put it, when the European countries typically fight to join NATO. In that region no one trusts Russia, and they want to be part of NATO to increase their chances of not being invaded. In fact Ukraine was on track to join it, exactly because they were afraid of Russia.
  - skitout 6y ago
    Well, it make total sense that for example Poland wanted to join NATO. Still, this move was certainly seen as a expansionist and threatening move by the Russian. And the fact the West seems to had informally committed to not enlarge NATO to the East [1] [2] makes the offense worse. And then Poland was not just a lambda NATO country, but a country where USA and NATO actively put a lot of resources that seem threatening in a Russian point of view. If you add to that the "colored revolutions", well, it is clear that the West "actively" "attacked" Russia's zone of influence. Not saying it is good or bad, just trying to describe what happened. [1] https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russi... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#German_reunification_and_relations_with_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#German_reu...
vbezhenar 6y ago
NATO will invade Russia overnight given the chance. That’s for sure. Russia is one of major threats to US existence.
- dctoedt 6y ago
  > NATO will invade Russia overnight given the chance. Source?